Strange New Worlds' showrunners advise fans to write to Skydance and Paramount if they're interested in a "Year One" Kirk sequel series

[Christopher]

Surely the examples you provide are simply revelations in an ongoing story. Or else every piece of information revealed from before the plot's present is a retcon. Assumptions can be challenged by surprising plot twists that is simply narrative progression, no?

Yes, that's the point. It's called retroactive continuity, not retroactive contradiction. It's supposed to be consistent, even though it wasn't revealed until later. At most, it contradicts our assumptions, but it can simply be something added later that's treated like it was true all along.

I would argue the only real definition of a retcon would be an alteration to pre-established facts.

That's what people believe these days, but my whole point is that that's a misunderstanding of the original meaning of the term. It's like using "literally" to mean "figuratively," or using "decimate" to mean "destroy almost entirely" instead of "destroy only 10 percent of." It's a pervasive usage, but it's a change from the original meaning.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

Yes, that's the point. It's called retroactive continuity, not retroactive contradiction. It's supposed to be consistent, even though it wasn't revealed until later. At most, it contradicts our assumptions, but it can simply be something added later that's treated like it was true all along.




That's what people believe these days, but my whole point is that that's a misunderstanding of the original meaning of the term. It's like using "literally" to mean "figuratively," or using "decimate" to mean "destroy almost entirely" instead of "destroy only 10 percent of." It's a pervasive usage, but it's a change from the original meaning.

That is new knowledge for me, I have never seen the portmanteau used in any other fashion other than to describe the adjustment of facts established in a narrative. However I can certainly see where you're coming from with the literal definition of the phrase.

 

[Mudd]

Fans get attached to their inferences, and are troubled when the people who actually create the show contradict them - especially if said inferences have been widely held for a long time. Much of Spock's supposed personal history falls into the category of inference or statements about writers' intentions that did not make it onto the screen.

Dorothy Fontana said later that she intended that Spock be an only child. But she didn't put that in the script, and it was never said onscreen at any point thereafter. But it was a widely-held assumption. Spock as the first Vulcan in Starfleet is derived from similar statements or reference documents prepared for the show. And so on, and so forth...

I'd simply like to see them revisit TOS, Kirk and Spock in modern terms in an expansive, episodic format than can encompass many stories over many hours. This is not what was done or intended by the Abrams movies.

 

[Nerys Myk]

That is new knowledge for me, I have never seen the portmanteau used in any other fashion other than to describe the adjustment of facts established in a narrative. However I can certainly see where you're coming from with the literal definition of the phrase.

It goes back to comics and Roy Thomas, IIRC. At least when used for fiction.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

That said, I still believe that there would be much more story potential and freedom from the canonical connections, that I personally enjoy about Strange New Worlds but others find annoying, in setting it post TMP with the same cast.

Right there with you. Plus, in a post-TMP setting, Wesley and Peck would be playing characters closer to their actual ages rather than the decade-plus younger than they are currently.

 

[Tuskin38]

It's TOS vs TNG all over again. Literally, since one is a TNG sequel and the other one is a TOS remake/prequel. You know, I don't think there is actually a name for what "Year One" is if it overlaps the original episodes. A revisit?

Year 1 might be interesting if it's mostly unseen adventures, with the occasional remake thrown in. Like maybe now we can see Chekov encounter Khan.

Based on a recent interview with him, Year one means pre-TOS, not during.

 

[Christopher]

Based on a recent interview with him, Year one means pre-TOS, not during.

I think people are anticipating the question, what happens if the show gets multiple seasons?

 

[HotRod]

Unless he thinks they can do multiple seasons that can take place in one or 2 years in Trek time.? 2264/65?

Sure, why not?

You can't tell an in-continuity story that changes the continuity without it changing the continuity.

So...... Star Trek?

if Skydance have to only pick one show to support, between Year One and Legacy, which do they pick

Probably the one that already has sets built and a well oiled production already in operation in Toronto.

With Legacy, they're starting from scratch.

Year One? Most of the hard and very expensive stuff is already done.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

It's absolutely not a core feature of Star Trek for it to rewrite its own history, nor is it a particularly welcome one.

 

[Turtletrekker]

It's absolutely not a core feature of Star Trek for it to rewrite its own history, nor is it a particularly welcome one.

James R. Kirk? UESPA? Vulcan being conquered? Warp 14.1?

 

[The Wormhole]

It's absolutely not a core feature of Star Trek for it to rewrite its own history, nor is it a particularly welcome one.

Dude, TOS's first season was constantly changing which century it took place in or the name of the organization the characters served in, and even the name of their government. TNG established there had been no contact with the Romulans for sixty years a handful of episodes after it was mentioned there was a tense showdown against the Romulans going down. And let's not even get started on the Borg, where much of what we now know of them comes from retcons.

 

[Timofnine]

I would like to have this address so that I can write about my Seven of Nine spinoff show?

 

[UssGlenn]

Based on a recent interview with him, Year one means pre-TOS, not during.

He also said something about getting to Chekov if the show has a longer life.

Assuming a 5 year run, logically, the season finale of the First year would bring them up to WNMHGB. seasons 2-4 are concurrent with TOS and TAS, and Season 5 is the unseen last year and going home for the Refit.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Dude, TOS's first season was constantly changing which century it took place in or the name of the organization the characters served in, and even the name of their government.

Because the series had just started. Every series struggles with Early Instalment Weirdness.

And a lot of people will tell you that the Borg went downhill when they introduced the Borg Queen. Or when Voyager did X, Y or Z with them. I don't remember anyone being particularly keen on them retconning the Hansens to have known about them years before Q Who.

 

[The Wormhole]

And a lot of people will tell you that the Borg went downhill when they introduced the Borg Queen. Or when Voyager did X, Y or Z with them. I don't remember anyone being particularly keen on them retconning the Hansens to have known about them years before Q Who.

And what about TBOBW? Q Who established the Borg had no interest in people, only technology, while TBOBW1 treats the idea of Picard being turned into a Borg as something unique and unheard of. Then TBOBW2 abruptly begins talking about assimilation as though it's SOP for the Borg, and assimilation has since become the Borg's defining trait.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

And what about TBOBW? Q Who established the Borg had no interest in people, only technology, while TBOBW1 treats the idea of Picard being turned into a Borg as something unique and unheard of. Then TBOBW2 abruptly begins talking about assimilation as though it's SOP for the Borg, and assimilation has since become the Borg's defining trait.

"SHELBY: I thought they weren't interested in human life forms, only our technology.
PICARD: Their priorities seem to have changed."

The Borg changed their mind. Or we learned more about them than we knew before. They had been scooping up whole colonies with no one left behind since season 1, so it fits.

 

[Campe]

I’d love to see a SNW continuation following Kirk and co. into the five year mission.

I would be very surprised to see it actually happen.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

One thing I'm pretty sure of, based on what's happened with the DC comics shows, is that a Star Trek Year One series won't coexist with the Kelvin movies. If they somehow finally get another Kelvin movie into production, then the Kirk show is over.

 

[Campe]

One thing I'm pretty sure of, based on what's happened with the DC comics shows, is that a Star Trek Year One series won't coexist with the Kelvin movies. If they somehow finally get another Kelvin movie into production, then the Kirk show is over.

I would be very surprised at this point of they do another Kelvin movie.

 

[fireproof78]

I would be very surprised at this point of they do another Kelvin movie.

That's a greater disappointment than any of the recent Trek shows somehow violating canon.

Because the series had just started. Every series struggles with Early Instalment Weirdness

Still makes it canon and a contradiction.