Would you support the Federation's expansionist policies?

[Turtletrekker]

Maybe Starfleet has an equivalent of the French Foreign Legion.

I always thought that that's what the "Nyberrite Alliance"
mentioned in The Way of the War was supposed to be the equivalent of.

Nyberrite Alliance

The Nyberrite Alliance was a political entity located a long distance away from starbase Deep Space 9. The Alliance apparently had good relations with both the United Federation of Planets and the Klingon Empire. The Nyberrite Alliance was always eager to hire experienced officers for their...

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[XCV330]

Spin gravity should be extremely reliable, even in the face of collapse of technological civilization like in Ringworld. Powered gravity units less so.

of course in star trek they show the gravity working perfectly fine most of the time, even when the power goes out. it also never explains why one's head is not drawn more towards the nearest grav plate on the ceiling above , pulling one like taffy.

 

[Shawnster]

Perhaps artificial gravity is only generated in 1 direction. It's never explained how it works.

 

[Farscape One]

Perhaps artificial gravity is only generated in 1 direction. It's never explained how it works.

Probably for the best.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Perhaps artificial gravity is only generated in 1 direction. It's never explained how it works.

That's been my assumption the entire time.

 

[FredH]

Spin gravity should be extremely reliable, even in the face of collapse of technological civilization like in Ringworld. Powered gravity units less so.

Spin gravity’s probably reliable, but one could argue that’s only until something or someone, accidentally or intentionally, knocks the ship/colony into a higher spin rate and disables or kills everybody… Whereas Star Trek gravity tech keeps you mostly stabilized if that happens, but I imagine if it malfunctions you’re suddenly flat as a pancake.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Spin gravity’s probably reliable, but one could argue that’s only until something or someone, accidentally or intentionally, knocks the ship/colony into a higher spin rate and disables or kills everybody… Whereas Star Trek gravity tech keeps you mostly stabilized if that happens, but I imagine if it malfunctions you’re suddenly flat as a pancake.

Also Spinning something as large as some of the largest Ring Worlds must consume A LOT of energy just to start it up & Maintain it.

Spoiler: The Overview Effect - Spin Gravity Compared

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Especially if I want a Ring World that has Liveable Surfaces on "Both Sides" of the ring.

That's why I have a crazy idea for Slower Base Rotation that gives you Moon to Martian Gravity levels and adjust the rest with local Gravity Plating to tailor suit the species who will live on it.

The Core Ring Structure will largely be stationary & won't spin, but the inner surface layer will "Counter-Rotate" each other depending on if you're on the outside or inside.

 

[kkt]

Also Spinning something as large as some of the largest Ring Worlds must consume A LOT of energy just to start it up & Maintain it.

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Especially if I want a Ring World that has Liveable Surfaces on "Both Sides" of the ring.

That's why I have a crazy idea for Slower Base Rotation that gives you Moon to Martian Gravity levels and adjust the rest with local Gravity Plating to tailor suit the species who will live on it.

The Core Ring Structure will largely be stationary & won't spin, but the inner surface layer will "Counter-Rotate" each other depending on if you're on the outside or inside.

In a universe where they routinely accelerate starships to lightspeed, I don't think the energy to accelerate the ring to provide about 1g on the inner surface is going to be a problem. Ion drive, maybe, relatively gentle acceleration that can be maintained for years. The same ion drive could provide a boost in rotation speed if needed to compensate for losses when ships dock with it or land on it.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

In a universe where they routinely accelerate starships to lightspeed, I don't think the energy to accelerate the ring to provide about 1g on the inner surface is going to be a problem. Ion drive, maybe, relatively gentle acceleration that can be maintained for years. The same ion drive could provide a boost in rotation speed if needed to compensate for losses when ships dock with it or land on it.

Fair Enough.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The Federation is expansionist to a degree, but also bind themselves with the Jankata accords, which prevents the signatories from purposefully entering other quadrants with the intent of colonisation.

The real problem is The Federation assuming the best of the galaxy and not doing due diligence before setting up colonies in unclaimed space. Delta Rana IV is a prime example of this.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

The real problem is The Federation assuming the best of the galaxy and not doing due diligence before setting up colonies in unclaimed space.

If the other species who claimed ___ space don't leave clear & obvious signs that ___ Planet is theirs, it's hard to assume either way.

Delta Rana IV was assumed to be unclaimed, if there was nothing marking the Star System and random alien like the Husnock decides to show up and claim it.

There isn't much you can do other than be prepared to defend against it.

 

[korblborp]

One thing I've seen people debate a lot in the past is whether Michael Eddington's speech from DS9 about the Federation being an insidious version of the Borg which assimilates cultures, but in a voluntary way, has any truth to it. The most interesting part of Eddington's argument is that the Federation is basically a galactic empire that conquers cultures with kindness, and in those cases where the kindness doesn't work (e.g., the Klingons, Romulans, Cardassians, etc.), they may outwardly respect those culture's choice to go their own way, but secretly they only see it as a matter of time until they "take their rightful place on the Federation Council."

As I've gotten older, I could see the situation from TNG's "First Contact" (the episode, not the movie) being more and more true. If some alien version of the Federation made contact with Earth tomorrow, I think it would go about as well as it did in that story, if not worse. There would be people who would love the opportunities it would offer to become "part of the chorus" and expand our way of looking at the galaxy.

BUT ... I also think the other aspects of the episode would ABSOLUTELY happen. There would be vigorous opposition to the idea of first contact, with people who would worry about the effects to human cultures, and reject the idea on principles of sovereignty, conflicts with philosophical, economic and religious belief, and phrases like "human purity" and "a human future for humans" being thrown around to support an isolationist stance.

and, of course, there would be the people who just want to bone them

 

[korblborp]

A Ring World is way more ostentatious than Yorktown Station m

perhaps kamen meant stanford torii and the like. i will say, i didn't like yorktown station...

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

perhaps kamen meant stanford torii and the like. i will say, i didn't like yorktown station...

I was thinking of Ring Worlds ranging from a upper limit around "Banks Orbital" size Ring Worlds, down to Smaller "Halo" size Ring World.

It can vary based on reason to build one and purpose, but that's a pretty wide scale as is.