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Poll Ethan Peck's Spock

Are you OK with how Spock is being handled in SNW?

  • Yes

    Votes: 47 71.2%
  • No

    Votes: 19 28.8%

  • Total voters
    66
I feel like we're watching "Young Spock", relative to Vulcan Age terms.
He's at the age where "Hi-Jinks" are bound to ensue.

By the time we see TOS Spock, he's kind of the "Grown Adult" spock, where he's a bit more mature.

Yep. But he the foundation was laid in TOS. He was smiling in The Cage. They did not just pull from left field. Ditto the Chapel stuff.

I think both Peck and Quinto have done a fine job. Kelvin Spock (having met his older, Prime self) and SNW Spock should be a bit different. Itcwould be awfully boring otherwise. Ditto Uhura & Scotty & Kirk.
 
I like Ethan Peck as Spock, to me he's much better then Quinto (although I think that Quinto started to come into the role in Beyond), but I hate that all of his focus episodes in SNW are terrible comedy episodes. The actor can do the character as well as anyone outside of Nimoy himself possibly could, but no one can save episodes about Spock getting "Freaky Friday'd" or becoming fully human. He gets awful scripts that really drag Spock through the mud, but its not Peck's fault. Nimoy couldn't have made the SNW comedy episodes work, because no one could have, so I don't hold them against Peck.

The handling of Spock is the one consistent problem with SNW, from completely throwing away continuity (he never saw T'Pring between childhood and Amok Time, and even if you try to argue about the ambiguity of dialog he certainly didn't screw her or have a long relationship, he also never had a relationship with Chapel) to just making Spock, the most iconic character in the franchise, into the bad comedy relief character in all of his focus episodes.

But Peck does a great job when he's given material that isn't garbage (which has mostly happened in his DSC appearances, ironically), and I'd love to see his Spock get actual serious episodes so he could flex his performance more. They should have someone like Ortegas or Uhura take the next few seasons (seemingly legally required) garbage comedy episodes and maybe give Peck's Spock something meatier to deal with.
 
I don't think anyone can beat Nimoy or dare to wear his shoes to be honest. Quinto I always thought would make a good alternative Spock and as he's from another reality it fits fine.
With Peck from what I've seen I didn't get the Spock vibe more of a Speck but he's nothing like our Len in looks or character.
JB
 
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Ethan Peck made me realise how much of what I loved about Spock was actually Leonard Nimoy.

He's fine.
I genuinely like him as a comedic romantic lead.

But overall, he's the Roger Moore or George Lazenby version of Bond.
 
Thinking on it, Quinto is the Lazenby. The term tends to be used for an iteration of a character that is relatively short-lived.

Nimoy is the Moore. He played the role of Spock into his twilight years, long after many might have stopped and maybe longer than he should have.

Peck is the Craig. Complete with soft reboot/reimagining. A Spock for the 21st Century.
 
It matters to me. At least not on the level I have been seeing. Im surprised that so many Star Trek fans are apparently ok with it but Star Wars fans lose it when something small like Han shoots second... ...

I doubt a writer of a fictional book series would change things from book 1 in book 3 and say....It always happened that way. Deal with it. 😂
Because Star Wars fans think there is a galaxy far far away where Hans Solo dwells
 
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It's been two years since I've seen SNW. I've seen every episode of S1 exactly once and not even all the S2 episodes. Nothing from Season 3. But it sounds like they've made Spock very emotional.

As far as Spock in "The Cage", the most you can say is that at times he SPOKE IN ALL CAPITALS, probably to get someone's attention if something's important. KIND OF LIKE WOLF BLITZER ON CNN. He does the same in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "The Corbomite Maneuver". He smiled once in "The Cage", which was a huge mistake compared to the way the character behaved everywhere else in TOS. In "Where No Man Has Gone Before" he says outright that he doesn't feel and all he knows is logic.

The overall arc of Spock in TOS is that he tries to be as unemotional as possible. Gradually, over the course of the three seasons, he loosens up a little. Except for some hiccups like "That Which Survives" where he's super-rigid again, but I blame that on the writer.

Overall, though, he's unemotional. To quote McCoy in "The Menagerie", "If [Spock] were caught acting like us or even thinking like us, it would completely embarrass him." As happens in "Amok Time". He has that huge outburst, then tries his best to pretend that didn't happen.

Also, Chapel was pining for Spock in TOS, whereas it seems that in SNW it's the other way around.

"Well, in SNW we're seeing Spock younger!" Well, we saw this younger Spock in "The Cage". See what I said above. I don't know how you get from Spock in "The Cage" to emotional lovey-dovey Spock in SNW.

"Who cares about continuity? It's the story that matters!" Yes and no. Things like, "The Enterprise can go at Warp 9 in this episode when they couldn't go passed Warp 7 in that episode!" Yeah. I agree. Who cares? I'm not talking about the extreme stuff that people like James Dixon were obsessed with.

What I'm talking about is following character development. If you like following Spock's development in SNW, that's great. And you like following Spock's development in TOS, that's great too. If you put the two together, they don't go together. It's like going from emotional Spock who wears his romantic feelings on his sleeve to a Spock who represses feelings and who 99% of the time romantic charms aren't going to work.

At best, all they'll do is come up with some sort of forced explanation for how SNW Spock becomes like TOS Spock, assuming they even try.

Now, I haven't seen SNW in two years, but this is what I remember of him.

I blame this more on the writing than on Ethan Peck's portrayal. In DSC Season 2, where he has some existential crisis, it's explained by he's having a mental episode when we first see him in "Light and Shadows". He gets better by the end of "If Memory Serves" more or less, even though the sight of Burnham triggers childhood inner turmoil. And then suddenly emotion he's not used to experiencing comes to the surface. It's unusual for him. It's not his norm.

As far as Zachary Quinto's Spock? I liked him in the 2009 Film. A lot better than Kirk, in fact. Less so Into Darkness when he screams "KHAAAAN!!!!!" and then goes full-on Incredible Hulk on Khan.
 
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As far as Zachary Quinto's Spock? I liked him in the 2009 Film. A lot better than Kirk, in fact. Less so Into Darkness when he screams "KHAAAAN!!!!!" and then goes full-on Incredible Hulk on Khan.
That's when I gave up on the Kelvinverse entirely. It made me feel like I was being played. I nearly walked out of the theater and would have but for being there with a group of friends.
 
From Mudd's women:

SPOCK: Deck twelve
MUDD: You're part Vulcanian, aren't you. Ah well then, a pretty face doesn't affect you at all, does it. That is, unless you want it to. You can save it, girls. This type can turn himself off from any emotion.
EVE: I apologise for what he said, sir. He's used to buying and selling people.
MUDD: I'll handle the conversation, darling.
 
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It's been two years since I've seen SNW. I've seen every episode of S1 exactly once and not even all the S2 episodes. Nothing from Season 3. But it sounds like they've made Spock very emotional.

As far as Spock in "The Cage", the most you can is that at times he SPOKE IN ALL CAPITALS, probably to get someone's attention if something's important. KIND OF LIKE WOLF BLITZER ON CNN. He does the same in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "The Corbomite Maneuver". He smiled once in "The Cage", which was a huge mistake compared to the way the character behaved everywhere else in TOS. In "Where No Man Before" he says outright that he doesn't feel and all he knows is logic.

The overall arc of Spock in TOS is that he tries to be as unemotional as possible. Gradually, over the course of the three seasons, he loosens up a little. Except for some hiccups like "That Which Survives" where he's super-rigid again, but I blame that on the writer.

Overall, though, he's unemotional. To quote McCoy in "The Menagerie", "If [Spock] were caught acting like us or even thinking like us, it would completely embarrass him." As happens in "Amok Time". He has that huge outburst, then tries his best to pretend that didn't happen.

Also, Chapel was pining for Spock in TOS, whereas it seems that in SNW it's the other way around.

"Well, in SNW we're seeing Spock younger!" Well, we saw this younger Spock in "The Cage". See what I said above. I don't know how you get from Spock in "The Cage" to emotional lovey-dovey Spock in SNW.

"Who cares about continuity? It's the story that matters!" Yes and no. Things like, "The Enterprise can goes at Warp 9 in that episode when they couldn't go passed Warp 7 in that episode!" Yeah. I agree. Who cares? I'm not talking about the extreme stuff that people like James Dixon were obsessed with.

What I'm talking about is following character development. If you like following Spock's development in SNW, that's great. And you like following Spock's development in TOS, that's great too. If you put the two together, they don't go together. It's like going from emotional Spock who wears his romantic feelings on his sleeve to a Spock who represses feelings and who 99% of the time romantic charms aren't going to work.

At best, all they'll do is come up with some sort of forced explanation for how SNW Spock becomes like TOS Spock, assuming they even try.

Now, I haven't seen SNW in two years, but this is what I remember of him.

I blame this more on the writing than on Ethan Peck's portrayal. In DSC Season 2, where he has some existential crisis, it's explained by he's having a mental episode when we first see him in "Light and Shadows". He gets over better by the end of "If Memory Serves" more or less, even though the sight of Burnham triggers childhood inner turmoil. And then suddenly emotion he's not used to experiencing comes to the surface. It's unusual for him. It's not his norm.

As far as Zachary Quinto's Spock? I liked him in the 2009 Film. A lot better than Kirk, in fact. Less so Into Darkness when he screams "KHAAAAN!!!!!" and then goes full-on Incredible Hulk on Khan.
People change, even Vulcans. If I met my 25 year old self I would be meeting a very different person than what I am right now.
 
GTD. Neutral ground to post this in.

It's been two years since I've seen SNW. I've seen every episode of S1 exactly once and not even all the S2 episodes. Nothing from Season 3. But it sounds like they've made Spock very emotional.

As far as Spock in "The Cage", the most you can is that at times he SPOKE IN ALL CAPITALS, probably to get someone's attention if something's important. KIND OF LIKE WOLF BLITZER ON CNN. He does the same in "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and "The Corbomite Maneuver". He smiled once in "The Cage", which was a huge mistake compared to the way the character behaved everywhere else in TOS. In "Where No Man Before" he says outright that he doesn't feel and all he knows is logic.

The overall arc of Spock in TOS is that he tries to be as unemotional as possible. Gradually, over the course of the three seasons, he loosens up a little. Except for some hiccups like "That Which Survives" where he's super-rigid again, but I blame that on the writer.

Overall, though, he's unemotional. To quote McCoy in "The Menagerie", "If [Spock] were caught acting like us or even thinking like us, it would completely embarrass him." As happens in "Amok Time". He has that huge outburst, then tries his best to pretend that didn't happen.

Also, Chapel was pining for Spock in TOS, whereas it seems that in SNW it's the other way around.

"Well, in SNW we're seeing Spock younger!" Well, we saw this younger Spock in "The Cage". See what I said above. I don't know how you get from Spock in "The Cage" to emotional lovey-dovey Spock in SNW.

"Who cares about continuity? It's the story that matters!" Yes and no. Things like, "The Enterprise can goes at Warp 9 in that episode when they couldn't go passed Warp 7 in that episode!" Yeah. I agree. Who cares? I'm not talking about the extreme stuff that people like James Dixon were obsessed with.

What I'm talking about is following character development. If you like following Spock's development in SNW, that's great. And you like following Spock's development in TOS, that's great too. If you put the two together, they don't go together. It's like going from emotional Spock who wears his romantic feelings on his sleeve to a Spock who represses feelings and who 99% of the time romantic charms aren't going to work.

At best, all they'll do is come up with some sort of forced explanation for how SNW Spock becomes like TOS Spock, assuming they even try.

Now, I haven't seen SNW in two years, but this is what I remember of him.

I blame this more on the writing than on Ethan Peck's portrayal. In DSC Season 2, where he has some existential crisis, it's explained by he's having a mental episode when we first see him in "Light and Shadows". He gets over better by the end of "If Memory Serves" more or less, even though the sight of Burnham triggers childhood inner turmoil. And then suddenly emotion he's not used to experiencing comes to the surface. It's unusual for him. It's not his norm.

As far as Zachary Quinto's Spock? I liked him in the 2009 Film. A lot better than Kirk, in fact. Less so Into Darkness when he screams "KHAAAAN!!!!!" and then goes full-on Incredible Hulk on Khan.

You mean you missed the cartoon episode and Musical episode of season two????? 😲.....those are classics. How could you???? 😂 😂
 
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