Poll Ethan Peck's Spock

[Ovation]

So in real life later canon rewrites previous canon?

Canon is a very simple thing. It’s everything that has been presented onscreen (excluding deleted scenes, unless incorporated later in something else). It has no requirement for consistency or the avoidance of contradiction. It’s simply the sum total of the productions.

Continuity is the thing you (and most people) are talking about things that appear contradictory to what came before. James R. vs T. Kirk is a continuity error. But both are canon. Kelvinverse and Prime are separate continuities. Both are canon. Etc.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Canon is a very simple thing. It’s everything that has been presented onscreen (excluding deleted scenes, unless incorporated later in something else). It has no requirement for consistency or the avoidance of contradiction. It’s simply the sum total of the productions.

Continuity is the thing you (and most people) are talking about things that appear contradictory to what came before. James R. vs T. Kirk is a continuity error. But both are canon. Kelvinverse and Prime are separate continuities. Both are canon. Etc.

Now define 'non-canonical'

 

[fireproof78]

Now define 'non-canonical'

Not apart of the official body of work.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Not apart of the official body of work.

It generally means 'outside of main continuity', like an Elseworld story. Something created and published officially, but doesn't affect events in the main series.

 

[fireproof78]

It generally means 'outside of main continuity', like an Elseworld story. Something created and published officially, but doesn't affect events in the main series.

Not my use of it but sure, why not?

The official body of work is all that matters for the production teams.

For fans, it is just entertainment.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Cross posting from the Wedding Bell Blues thread because I feel like I'm having the same conversation in multiple threads...

"Another thing that makes canon a little confusing. Gene R himself had a habit of de-canonizing things. He didn't like the way the animated series turned out, so he proclaimed that it was not canon. He also didn't like a lot of the movies, so he didn't much consider them canon either. And -- okay, I'm really going to scare you with this one -- after he got TNG going, he... well... he sort of decided that some of the original series wasn't canon either. I had a conversation with him once, where I cited several things that were clearly canon in the original series, and he told me that he didn't think that way anymore, and that he now thought of TNG as canon whenever there was a conflict between the two. He admitted that it was revisionist thinking, but so be it."

-- Paula Block, 2005

 

[Ovation]

It generally means 'outside of main continuity', like an Elseworld story. Something created and published officially, but doesn't affect events in the main series.

Actually, it doesn’t. If it did, Kelvinverse would be “non-canon”. It MOST CERTAINLY IS canon. It simply isn’t in the Prime continuity. Canon =/= continuity. Never has.

 

[MarcKle1964]

Not apart of the official body of work.

Canon points at Non-Canon. "You are not of the body..." (shoots them with hollow...cannons)

 

[fireproof78]

Canon points at Non-Canon. "You are not of the body..." (shoots them with hollow...cannons)

To the left...and to the right.

 

[BillJ]

I’ve only seen the first season, Peck does a solid job with the material they gave him.

 

[Lucky]

I love how Ethan Peck plays Spock. It makes sense he'd be more open to his human side at this stage, and I think we can see hints of why he might feel otherwise in the future. Peck's Spock is my favorite after Nimoy.