What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Kamen Rider Blade]

So, you know. Your post here is completely, utterly wrong.

So you just didn't want a space battle to emphasize how 'Bad Ass' "The Borg" are.

Just give them a few seconds of fighting, the grave-yard scene and call it good.

Then move on. Let the fans infer the point and call it good.

“Show, not tell” is the cardinal rule.

That's the whole point, to Show how "Bad Ass" the Borg are.

 

[Firebird]

That's the whole point, to Show how "Bad Ass" the Borg are.

Which was more than demonstrated by showing the wreckage of more than 30 powerful Starfleet vessels. You don’t need to show the battle itself to make the same point - the desolation is the point.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

What are you so afraid of?

Is this not the thread for Controversy?

Or is this the thread where everybody agrees in solidarity?

 

[BillJ]

So you just didn't want a space battle to emphasize how 'Bad Ass' "The Borg" are.

After the third time of them showing the ships lobbing torpedoes at the Borg, I was simply bored by it. I'm someone that loves starships, I have tons of books on starships. In the narrative themselves, they are a tool to advance a story not be the story.

What do watching these ships lob torpedoes over and over add to the story? If they add nothing, then it becomes a waste of money for the studio, they are already paying actors to fill the screen time.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

So you just didn't want a space battle to emphasize how 'Bad Ass' "The Borg" are.

Just give them a few seconds of fighting, the grave-yard scene and call it good.

Then move on.

Again, what???

I saw "Q Who," when the Enterprise was dead meat without Q re-intervening to bring them back to familiar space.

I saw the season three finale, "The Best of Both Worlds," you know, part 1, when the Enterprise had to run away and hide in a nebula, and when the Borg captured Picard and assimilated him, despite all of their best efforts.

The Borg had been well-established as "bad ass" by that point!

What the heck are you even talking about?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Which was more than demonstrated by showing the wreckage of more than 30 powerful Starfleet vessels. You don’t need to show the battle itself to make the same point - the desolation is the point.

You just 'Told the Audience' that "The Borg are Bad Ass", they have no context for "How Bad Ass they are" other than they're scary and can fight many ships.
Many where we see only a few seconds & the giant wreckage scene.
So you don't know who died other than a bunch of random vessels that seem to be a mix of smaller old & new designs.

Most that are probably not on the same league as "The Galaxy Class" which is supposed to be the Biggest Baddest Ship at that time.

But hey, minimal work to convey what is necessary, right?

 

[Bad Thoughts]

“Show, not tell” is the cardinal rule.

I don't know how many professional officers--people in charge of large forces or who taught at West Point--who though Grand Illusion is the greatest war movie of all time. It had no combat! Maybe six bullets were fired over the course of the movie. Everything it had to say about WWI was done through dialogue and relationships.

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[Kamen Rider Blade]

After the third time of them showing the ships lobbing torpedoes at the Borg, I was simply bored by it. I'm someone that loves starships, I have tons of books on starships. In the narrative themselves, they are a tool to advance a story not be the story.

What do watching these ships lob torpedoes over and over add to the story? If they add nothing, then it becomes a waste of money for the studio, they are already paying actors to fill the screen time.

Do you enjoy watching any "Combat Sports".

Or do people fighting professionally bore you?

 

[1001001]

What are you so afraid of?

Is this not the thread for Controversy?

Or is this the thread where everybody agrees in solidarity?

That’s enough of that.

Yes it’s the controversial opinions thread, NOT the “Drive your point into the ground over and over and over again” thread.

The horse is dead. Stop beating it.

 

[BillJ]

Do you enjoy watching any "Combat Sports".

Or do people fighting professionally bore you?

This has nothing to do with what questions I asked?

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

I don't know how many professional officers--people in charge of large forces or who taught at West Point--who though Grand Illusion is the greatest war movie of all time. It had no combat! Maybe six bullets were fired over the course of the movie. Everything it had to say about WWI was done through dialogue and relationships.

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For me, "Saving Private Ryan" would be what I consider one of the Greatest War Movie of All Time, and it had plenty of Combat & action along with the Battle of Normandy

 

[Firebird]

But hey, minimal work to convey what is necessary, right?

Yes, because we’re talking about professionally-made media where economy of storytelling is the whole point.

If you want something longer, read a novel.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Somewhat tangential, but Terry Matalas all but admitted that spectacle works against drama. The more the studio is willing to invest in the visual aspects, the more money they put into the project, the more they interefere in the story. They question every little thing to make sure the story is non-controversial.

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[Kamen Rider Blade]

That’s enough of that.

Yes it’s the controversial opinions thread, NOT the “Drive your point into the ground over and over and over again” thread.

The horse is dead. Stop beating it.

Then what should we talk about?

This has nothing to do with what questions I asked?

It has everything to do.

Because it's about enjoying & watching the fight/battle.

The fight itself can tell you a lot that just pure words or aftermath scenes can't.

There's a reason why people enjoy fight scenes, it gives you loads of information if well executed.

Professional fights themselves tell you a story while the battle is happening.

Many people enjoy it beyond just the spectacle.

It's a complicated real time Chess Game between Combatants at the highest of levels.

There's a damn good reason why many people watch "Boxing, MMA, Pro Wrestling, any of the major Combat Sports".

That goes well beyond the spectacle of 2x people duking it out.

Yes, because we’re talking about professionally-made media where economy of storytelling is the whole point.

If you want something longer, read a novel.

Or you can try what other mediums have tried.

Many in Anime tell a story through the battle itself.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

For me, "Saving Private Ryan" would be what I consider one of the Greatest War Movie of All Time, and it had plenty of Combat & action along with the Battle of Normandy

Sorry, I didn't know you had served. Thank you.

Then what should we talk about?

Talk about actual Star Trek battles? You could put the relentless comparisons to the side and talk about the specifics, like why Wolf 359 was or wasn't a better use of a graveyard than Vulcan in ST09? Or how simple Sisko's plans really are?

 

[CoveTom]

Then what should we talk about?

For the love of all that is good and holy, ANYTHING else.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Sorry, I didn't know you had served. Thank you.

I never said I served.

I just consider it one of the Greatest War Movies of All Time.

But it was also made by Steven Spielberg, and made more recently.

So you have a good match made in heaven.

Talk about actual Star Trek battles? You could put the relentless comparisons to the side and talk about the specifics, like why Wolf 359 was or wasn't a better use of a graveyard than Vulcan in ST09? Or how simple Sisko's plans really are?

Those GraveYard scenes are mostly for economic story telling to convey information in a short amount of time, while minimizing VFX work.

Most of the Command staff who fought against the Borg used what technology they had, but all of them made similar mistakes where they fought "The Borg" at close range.

Moving forward in time, they should've been changing combat doctrine to be "Long Range BVR" combat based since "The Borg" heavily rely on "Tractor Beams" & "Shield/Energy Drain Weapons" that all seem to be close range based.

While StarFleet doesn't use their weapons to the maximum potential range.

Both their Phasers & Torpedos of that era had MUCH greater ranges, yet none of it was used to it's maximum effect, despite knowing some of what "The Borg" are capable of from the incident with the USS Enterprise in previous encounters.

Phaser's are rated for a Maximum Effective Range of 300,000 km.
Photon Torpedoes are rated for Maximum Effective Range of 3.5 Million km.
None of which was used.

They just thought, let's swarm them, and beat them up with Many Ships vs 1 and call it good.

Not realizing that "The Borg" are great at close range combat, especially WVR where your combat distance is within single-digit km's.

 

[BillJ]

Fans never fail to convince me why fans should never, ever be put in charge of a franchise.

 

[HotRod]

 

[Finn]

Fans never fail to convince me why fans should never, ever be put in charge of a franchise.

Yes. TOS has the advantage of never having anyone who was a Trekkie growing up.