Late 23rd Century Control Panel UI

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While that should be true, there seems to have been some difficulty insofar as upgrading console appearance. Off the top of my head, the Raven was the first vessel observed with her too-modern rendition of LCARS, suggesting it should date back to 2347 and was thus a 15 year old user interface by the time of the Enterprise-D's construction. While it was seen to have been retrofitted onto various vessels that were much older, the Stargazer and other ships that hadn't been updated (though I need to review this idea for other members of the set) is interesting.

While it's entirely possible that Stargazer had missed a scheduled upgrade or perhaps even not yet reached her major refit milestone prior to Maxia, it's worth remembering that IRL the final Okudagram style hadn't yet been created in TNG s1 -- and as such imho it's the kind of inconsistency that doesn't need to be given much weight.

In all honesty I prefer to ignore this and similar oddities that we know were largely driven by the frenetic production pace of the time. Things like Valeris' red cadet undertunic, O'Brien's ever-changing rank pips, general uniform and insignia errors, the mismatched interfaces on the Hathaway (and the Jenolen, iirc), the bizarrely advanced displays on the Bozeman -and similarly the Raven- all go into "Ignore This, There's Really No Point Acknowledging It" box, to save myself the mental gymnastics As I'm sure Freud once said, sometimes a production flub is just a production flub.

 

[DSG2k]

Now where's the fun in that? :-)

The Bozeman (at least the RXIO version) is actually what started my whole bother, mixing thorughly 2290 standard with a handful of TOS-style screens.

It's also the first chronological appearance of the rounded prism console (a la the TNG Helm and Ops) if I remember correctly, though the ones on the Stargazer and Hathaway may suggest it wasn't early by very much. (I forget offhand if the Jenolan sported one, but I have it noted.)

 

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Now where's the fun in that? :-)

The Bozeman (at least the RXIO version) is actually what started my whole bother, mixing thorughly 2290 standard with a handful of TOS-style screens.

It's also the first chronological appearance of the rounded prism console (a la the TNG Helm and Ops) if I remember correctly, though the ones on the Stargazer and Hathaway may suggest it wasn't early by very much. (I forget offhand if the Jenolan sported one, but I have it noted.)

Believe it or not, for me it's far more fun - and not least because although as a kid I had the spare time to try and align and rationalise the countless oddities, I now very much do not

These days I tend to follow a "general rule of thumb", and ignore the truly batsh¡t discrepancies. This way lets me imagine instead what the Bozeman "really" looked like (something I actually find infinitely more satisfying and less frustrating than trying to contort myself around production flubs, typos, budget constraints, or Executive-meddling nonsense ).

I don't remember the Jenolen having a TNG standalone console, but I do remember that bloody anachronism of a command chair. (Now let me tell you what that bridge really looks like in my head.....!)

 

[Ithekro]

Perhaps the new consoles and displays were fitted to newly built ships rather than refits.

 

[F. King Daniel]

For whatever it's worth, that style of "too early" graphics used on the Bozeman technically appear first in SNW 2.01 (like 2 decades earlier), on the fake Starfleet ship used by the Klingons.

 

[DSG2k]

Believe it or not, for me it's far more fun - and not least because although as a kid I had the spare time to try and align and rationalise the countless oddities, I now very much do not

These days I tend to follow a "general rule of thumb", and ignore the truly batsh¡t discrepancies. This way lets me imagine instead what the Bozeman "really" looked like (something I actually find infinitely more satisfying and less frustrating than trying to contort myself around production flubs, typos, budget constraints, or Executive-meddling nonsense ).

I do both, enjoying the mental escape of rationalizing the observed canon and considering alternatives . . . not that there is tons of time I should be spending on either.

I don't remember the Jenolen having a TNG standalone console, but I do remember that bloody anachronism of a command chair. (Now let me tell you what that bridge really looks like in my head.....!)

I didn't really notice the chair. Chair styling varies a lot more than consoles, and is sufficiently nonstandardized that I scarcely pay attention. The Hathaway, for instance, featured TNG chairs in the center and some godawful metallic monstrosities in the rear.

That said, the Jenolan / Jenolen / Jenolin (/ Jenolon / Jenolun / sometimes Jenolyn) does indeed feature the rounded prism console, so the Bozeman having it in 2278 isn't completely beyond the pale . . . they existed without question by 2293 and the E-B.

(I'm also one for chronological registries . . . I take Bozeman 1941 to be a product of the mid-2260s, so presume that bridge to be a pretty complete rework as of 2278, perhaps originally one similar to the rare first Excelsior bridge ( but with some system's interface still requiring the original TOS-y display for some reason). The Jenolan 2010 is of similar vintage . . . all predate the 2271/2272 existence of the Entente 2120.)

 

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I do both, enjoying the mental escape of rationalizing the observed canon and considering alternatives . . . not that there is tons of time I should be spending on either.

I'm not even supposed to BE here today!

I didn't really notice the chair. Chair styliang varies a lot more than consoles, and is sufficiently nonstandardized that I scarcely pay attention. The Hathaway, for instance, featured TNG chairs in the center and some godawful metallic monstrosities in the rear.

Shhh, you're not supposed to notice those! Tbh most likely I think they put them there to look like stripped down seating, and not be representative of their original appearance... And I've no major issue with Ent-C seating used on the bridge of a vessel that should by rights have continued operating well into the C24th.

That said, the Jenolan / Jenolen / Jenolin (/ Jenolon / Jenolun / sometimes Jenolyn) does indeed feature the rounded prism console, so the Bozeman having it in 2278 isn't completely beyond the pale . . . they existed without question by 2293 and the E-B.

Yeah... I can't do it. It just looks wrong! Knowing that time and budget would have driven that choice, I'm all for dropping it in a bucket (along with the rest of that bridge that doesn't fit with the dome on the studio model)... though in fairness one could also claim that Jenolen had just recently had a minor refit.

(I'm also one for chronological registries . . . I take Bozeman 1941 to be a product of the mid-2260s, so presume that bridge to be a pretty complete rework as of 2278, perhaps originally one similar to the rare first Excelsior bridge ( but with some system's interface still requiring the original TOS-y display for some reason). The Jenolan 2010 is of similar vintage . . . all predate the 2271/2272 existence of the Entente 2120.)

I agree about the Bozeman registry; it conveniently points to when one could roughly expect the newbuild "Phase II" classes to start appearing (which could explain both the Phase II bridge dome and the unusually early retirement age for the class - I imagine they were ironically more problematic to upgrade to TMP spec than their forebears, and so ended up with less than sub-optimal capabilities).

IMHO it's a shame we didn't get to see an Excelsior prototype bridge with TVH graphics... I did a concept for it years ago, walking back the TUC version to an "idealised" depiction of the TSFS layout, but can't for the life of me find it!

 

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For whatever it's worth, that style of "too early" graphics used on the Bozeman technically appear first in SNW 2.01 (like 2 decades earlier), on the fake Starfleet ship used by the Klingons.

You're really just here to sow chaos, aren't you?

 

[F. King Daniel]

You're really just here to sow chaos, aren't you?

It's what I do