Late 23rd Century Control Panel UI

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While that should be true, there seems to have been some difficulty insofar as upgrading console appearance. Off the top of my head, the Raven was the first vessel observed with her too-modern rendition of LCARS, suggesting it should date back to 2347 and was thus a 15 year old user interface by the time of the Enterprise-D's construction. While it was seen to have been retrofitted onto various vessels that were much older, the Stargazer and other ships that hadn't been updated (though I need to review this idea for other members of the set) is interesting.

While it's entirely possible that Stargazer had missed a scheduled upgrade or perhaps even not yet reached her major refit milestone prior to Maxia, it's worth remembering that IRL the final Okudagram style hadn't yet been created in TNG s1 -- and as such imho it's the kind of inconsistency that doesn't need to be given much weight.

In all honesty I prefer to ignore this and similar oddities that we know were largely driven by the frenetic production pace of the time. Things like Valeris' red cadet undertunic, O'Brien's ever-changing rank pips, general uniform and insignia errors, the mismatched interfaces on the Hathaway (and the Jenolen, iirc), the bizarrely advanced displays on the Bozeman -and similarly the Raven- all go into "Ignore This, There's Really No Point Acknowledging It" box, to save myself the mental gymnastics As I'm sure Freud once said, sometimes a production flub is just a production flub.

 

[DSG2k]

Now where's the fun in that? :-)

The Bozeman (at least the RXIO version) is actually what started my whole bother, mixing thorughly 2290 standard with a handful of TOS-style screens.

It's also the first chronological appearance of the rounded prism console (a la the TNG Helm and Ops) if I remember correctly, though the ones on the Stargazer and Hathaway may suggest it wasn't early by very much. (I forget offhand if the Jenolan sported one, but I have it noted.)

 

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Now where's the fun in that? :-)

The Bozeman (at least the RXIO version) is actually what started my whole bother, mixing thorughly 2290 standard with a handful of TOS-style screens.

It's also the first chronological appearance of the rounded prism console (a la the TNG Helm and Ops) if I remember correctly, though the ones on the Stargazer and Hathaway may suggest it wasn't early by very much. (I forget offhand if the Jenolan sported one, but I have it noted.)

Believe it or not, for me it's far more fun - and not least because although as a kid I had the spare time to try and align and rationalise the countless oddities, I now very much do not

These days I tend to follow a "general rule of thumb", and ignore the truly batsh¡t discrepancies. This way lets me imagine instead what the Bozeman "really" looked like (something I actually find infinitely more satisfying and less frustrating than trying to contort myself around production flubs, typos, budget constraints, or Executive-meddling nonsense ).

I don't remember the Jenolen having a TNG standalone console, but I do remember that bloody anachronism of a command chair. (Now let me tell you what that bridge really looks like in my head.....!)

 

[Ithekro]

Perhaps the new consoles and displays were fitted to newly built ships rather than refits.

 

[F. King Daniel]

For whatever it's worth, that style of "too early" graphics used on the Bozeman technically appear first in SNW 2.01 (like 2 decades earlier), on the fake Starfleet ship used by the Klingons.

 

[DSG2k]

Believe it or not, for me it's far more fun - and not least because although as a kid I had the spare time to try and align and rationalise the countless oddities, I now very much do not

These days I tend to follow a "general rule of thumb", and ignore the truly batsh¡t discrepancies. This way lets me imagine instead what the Bozeman "really" looked like (something I actually find infinitely more satisfying and less frustrating than trying to contort myself around production flubs, typos, budget constraints, or Executive-meddling nonsense ).

I do both, enjoying the mental escape of rationalizing the observed canon and considering alternatives . . . not that there is tons of time I should be spending on either.

I don't remember the Jenolen having a TNG standalone console, but I do remember that bloody anachronism of a command chair. (Now let me tell you what that bridge really looks like in my head.....!)

I didn't really notice the chair. Chair styling varies a lot more than consoles, and is sufficiently nonstandardized that I scarcely pay attention. The Hathaway, for instance, featured TNG chairs in the center and some godawful metallic monstrosities in the rear.

That said, the Jenolan / Jenolen / Jenolin (/ Jenolon / Jenolun / sometimes Jenolyn) does indeed feature the rounded prism console, so the Bozeman having it in 2278 isn't completely beyond the pale . . . they existed without question by 2293 and the E-B.

(I'm also one for chronological registries . . . I take Bozeman 1941 to be a product of the mid-2260s, so presume that bridge to be a pretty complete rework as of 2278, perhaps originally one similar to the rare first Excelsior bridge ( but with some system's interface still requiring the original TOS-y display for some reason). The Jenolan 2010 is of similar vintage . . . all predate the 2271/2272 existence of the Entente 2120.)

 

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I do both, enjoying the mental escape of rationalizing the observed canon and considering alternatives . . . not that there is tons of time I should be spending on either.

I'm not even supposed to BE here today!

I didn't really notice the chair. Chair styliang varies a lot more than consoles, and is sufficiently nonstandardized that I scarcely pay attention. The Hathaway, for instance, featured TNG chairs in the center and some godawful metallic monstrosities in the rear.

Shhh, you're not supposed to notice those! Tbh most likely I think they put them there to look like stripped down seating, and not be representative of their original appearance... And I've no major issue with Ent-C seating used on the bridge of a vessel that should by rights have continued operating well into the C24th.

That said, the Jenolan / Jenolen / Jenolin (/ Jenolon / Jenolun / sometimes Jenolyn) does indeed feature the rounded prism console, so the Bozeman having it in 2278 isn't completely beyond the pale . . . they existed without question by 2293 and the E-B.

Yeah... I can't do it. It just looks wrong! Knowing that time and budget would have driven that choice, I'm all for dropping it in a bucket (along with the rest of that bridge that doesn't fit with the dome on the studio model)... though in fairness one could also claim that Jenolen had just recently had a minor refit.

(I'm also one for chronological registries . . . I take Bozeman 1941 to be a product of the mid-2260s, so presume that bridge to be a pretty complete rework as of 2278, perhaps originally one similar to the rare first Excelsior bridge ( but with some system's interface still requiring the original TOS-y display for some reason). The Jenolan 2010 is of similar vintage . . . all predate the 2271/2272 existence of the Entente 2120.)

I agree about the Bozeman registry; it conveniently points to when one could roughly expect the newbuild "Phase II" classes to start appearing (which could explain both the Phase II bridge dome and the unusually early retirement age for the class - I imagine they were ironically more problematic to upgrade to TMP spec than their forebears, and so ended up with less than sub-optimal capabilities).

IMHO it's a shame we didn't get to see an Excelsior prototype bridge with TVH graphics... I did a concept for it years ago, walking back the TUC version to an "idealised" depiction of the TSFS layout, but can't for the life of me find it!

 

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For whatever it's worth, that style of "too early" graphics used on the Bozeman technically appear first in SNW 2.01 (like 2 decades earlier), on the fake Starfleet ship used by the Klingons.

You're really just here to sow chaos, aren't you?

 

[F. King Daniel]

You're really just here to sow chaos, aren't you?

It's what I do

 

[DSG2k]

Tbh most likely I think they put them there to look like stripped down seating, and not be representative of their original appearance...

Ah, bless you. I think I can live with that explanation for the metal Hathaway death chairs.

Yeah... I can't do it. It just looks wrong!

The rounded prism consoles? I can kinda live with it. After all, the medical table from TWoK (listed here as ST07) could easily be a member of the family. Sure, I'd much rather have seen ST06 in its place, but still.

I agree about the Bozeman registry; it conveniently points to when one could roughly expect the newbuild "Phase II" classes to start appearing (which could explain both the Phase II bridge dome and the unusually early retirement age for the class - I imagine they were ironically more problematic to upgrade to TMP spec than their forebears, and so ended up with less than sub-optimal capabilities).

Alas, Mirandas predate Bozeman, by registry, though it would not be the first time we saw an earlier-style ship class built late.

IMHO it's a shame we didn't get to see an Excelsior prototype bridge with TVH graphics... I did a concept for it years ago, walking back the TUC version to an "idealised" depiction of the TSFS layout, but can't for the life of me find it!

I'd enjoy that. I tend to think of Excelsior 2000 as a ship with a long development cycle, necessary if Entente 2120 was running around in 2272ish, so her initial bridge I think of as a sort of quasi-post-TOS alt-TMP thing that was rather dated even at her launch. After all, literally months separate the Excelsior first bridge from Star Trek V and its "2290 Standard".

I just wish there were more images of it.

 

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Ah, bless you. I think I can live with that explanation for the metal Hathaway death chairs.

I'm using that designation for those seats going forward Plus, "Hathaway Death Chairs" makes for an awesome band name

The rounded prism consoles? I can kinda live with it. After all, the medical table from TWoK (listed here as ST07) could easily be a member of the family. Sure, I'd much rather have seen ST06 in its place, but still.

Prisms evokes a glass Toblerone block in my mind's eye. FWIW, since IRL they were manufactured for TNG I generally try to refer to them as "TNG Standalone Consoles" for clarity and avoidance of confusion. Although where does the ST06/7 bed designation come from, btw? I've never seen it before, that I can recall...

Tbh I'm more inclined to forgive the Enterprise-A helm console appearing at the front of the Ent-C bridge, than I am those unfortunate production flubs. It kinda makes sense as a "last vestige" of older tech, even if I'd much rather that it was either in the TNG style, or maybe even the Enterprise-B aft console!

Alas, Mirandas predate Bozeman, by registry, though it would not be the first time we saw an earlier-style ship class built late.

iirc I tended to think of the Bozeman (at least as depicted onscreen*) as a newbuild constructed to Phase II specs, with only a partial refit possible subsequently, due to certain aspects of newbuild Phase II designs being conceived without a drastic refit in mind; earlier hulls (eg Miranda) conversely proving easier to disassemble for refitting.

Come to think of it, that could explain why not only did we see no other examples of the Phase II designs onscreen (the era had not long begun before the Total Modernisation Program came into effect, and while most of the P-II refits were upgradeable, the newbuilds were not) but also why we had low-reg vessels like the Grissom with apparently new designs, and a dearth of new NCC reg numbers leading up to the Excelsior** - instead seeing a surge in refits of TOS and prior designs.

I'd enjoy that. I tend to think of Excelsior 2000 as a ship with a long development cycle, necessary if Entente 2120 was running around in 2272ish, so her initial bridge I think of as a sort of quasi-post-TOS alt-TMP thing that was rather dated even at her launch. After all, literally months separate the Excelsior first bridge from Star Trek V and its "2290 Standard".

I just wish there were more images of it.

It's certainly plausible, although I prefer to think of the Excelsior as an evolution of an existing 2260/70s dreadnought analog... Funny you should mention the TFF bridge: When walking it back to the TVH standard I used that cleaner layout, due to its relative similarity to the prototype (no extra buttress girders, fewer wall greebles, etc)...

The only other image of the TSFS bridge was a concept piece by Nilo Rodis of the viewscreen; I wish we'd at least had a few more of those concepts to go on.




*Someone on this BBS redesigned the Bozeman years ago using another piece of TSFS concept art as the foundation, leading to a blend of TMP and TSFS styles... AFAIC it was a vastly superior design to this Miranda kitbash!

**I tend to ignore the Entente ref, as it comes from barely audible comms chatter and was derived solely from FJ blueprints. I should say here that my headcanon has NCC registries separate from NAR, NSP, etc during the C23rd, and that SF only later folded them in (to avoid potential confusion from NGC-1701, etc). This then pushed a surge in registry numbers overall so that we get numbers in the 7xxxx range by TNG... Creating the Runabouts as an actual starship class and not simply big shuttles has since ballooned numbers further