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I mean that I'm being incredibly sarcastic.

There was no need to update the Monster Maroons except that they wanted to.
It was also meant to be different timeline. The changes were not permanent.


All art should be updated if people want to. A creative enterprise should be directed by desire of expression.

People may not like it but there's no need for any art. There's a want for the creative process.
 
I get why they had to add the deltas though. That original costume would never stand up on the big screens people have in their houses these days. It's just not designed to be cinematic.

They were designed to be seen on movie screens. I think they hold up very well on tv. I like the TOS maroon uniforms. They didn't need to be altered at all. Sometimes I really think their might be something to that modern Trek has to be 25% different or whatever that theory was.
 
All art should be updated if people want to.
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They were designed to be seen on movie screens. I think they hold up very well on tv. I like the TOS maroon uniforms. They didn't need to be altered at all. Sometimes I really think their might be something to that modern Trek has to be 25% different or whatever that theory was.
Sorry, I was being sarcastic. I agree with all of this.
 
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Hardly a fair comparison given that I can still see the original work if I want to. An update does not mean removal. Both versions of the Maroons exist and do not take away from the other.

Lucas was consistently anxious over his work and regarded it as unfinished and never saw the value in the original like fans do. He is welcome to tinker with his work.

That's not what SNW did.
 
I get why they had to add the deltas though. That original costume would never stand up on the big screens people have in their houses these days. It's just not designed to be cinematic.

See now that's funny right there. Because they're costumes from a MOVIE!

Marina Sirtis one time complained about HD because actresses didn't want to seen in that resolution. Ms. Sirtis you were on the movie screen!

The size of the TOS Enterprise was never firmly established. I like to think the Enterprise was always in the 400m range. It solves so many issues.

Sure. But the size of the shuttlecraft was established (either in dialog or just standing next to the prop). SNW is way bigger. And the shuttledeck with the bigger shuttles on it is still way bigger. And the bridge is way bigger.

So either the ship is the same size with much larger components or everything got sized up. Either way.

So, no, I'm not chalking up the differences in the Maroons to time travel any more than I chalk this clearly different television production up to an alternate time line. It's not supposed to be and I'll take them at their word at least that far.

The audience was clearly meant to see the obviously older Pike's uniform and say "HEY! That's that uniform from the movies! Cool!"
 
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This bothered me to the point of actually researching why they did that.

It appears that Pike’s MM had a panel of fabric that had little starfleet deltas in the fabric, much like the Abramsverse shirts and DSC uniforms that came after. The flap of the TWOK MM follows the shoulder line, which we are all used to and looks “correct”. The flap of Pike’s MM follows the seam line of that different-patterned panel. Because the lighting was so dark in that scene, the difference in the fabric was not clearly shown, which is why it looked “wrong”. The behind-the-scenes extras on that set of BRD’s used “house lighting”, as it were, where you could more clearly make out the fabric change.

I get what they tried to do, but it didn’t turn out too particularly well in the Final Cut, IMO.
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I like both, but the Prime Timeline version just has the better cut and angles.
 
no, I'm not chalking up the differences in the Maroons to time travel any more than I chalk this clearly different television production up to an alternate time line. It's not supposed to be and I'll take them at their word at least that far.
The context of the episode tells me the timeline is different. Like Yesterday's Enterprise minor adjustments due to historical events changing.

Context is for kings.
 
Regardless of View-Screen Window or Moon Roof, having the Bridge on top central area of the Saucer section is a general bad idea.

You generally want to bury it in the hull. near the main computer and main center routers that connect to all the other computer lines across the vessel.

I'm generally of the opposite opinion. :angel: Because if we're to assume the typical "line" ships in Trek are capable of devastating assaults on a planetary or space station target, as is sometimes implied or shown, then burying the bridge deeper in the hull isn't going to give you much additional protection if your shields and other defenses are disabled.

You could argue that it's more dangerous to have nacelles as separate, exposed components than the bridge because if those are crippled, then your ship can't escape and can't provide power to its other essential systems. There's an engineering logic behind this of course (the nacelles were originally treated as being the source of the warp reaction, and were thus safer for the crew if they were isolated from the other components), but we've also seen many ships over the years that don't use separate nacelles to mount engines.

I view it mainly as a trade off with both advantages and disadvantages, and I likewise think having a more accessible bridge module has advantages for technology swaps and refits. It's not solely a weakness when the rest of the design is taken into account. Also, the hero ships are more likely to have additional plot armor. :rommie:
 
I'm generally of the opposite opinion. :angel: Because if we're to assume the typical "line" ships in Trek are capable of devastating assaults on a planetary or space station target, as is sometimes implied or shown, then burying the bridge deeper in the hull isn't going to give you much additional protection if your shields and other defenses are disabled.
That's true of anything that doesn't have Shields/Defenses Enabled or the enemy finds a way to bypass said Shields/Defenses.

You could argue that it's more dangerous to have nacelles as separate, exposed components than the bridge because if those are crippled, then your ship can't escape and can't provide power to its other essential systems. There's an engineering logic behind this of course (the nacelles were originally treated as being the source of the warp reaction, and were thus safer for the crew if they were isolated from the other components), but we've also seen many ships over the years that don't use separate nacelles to mount engines.
But that wasn't the case as we found out in TNG, but in the 32nd Century with Floating Nacelles & Miniaturized Warp Cores, I can see the argument where each Floating Nacelles has it's own Mini Warp Core inside.
That gives it superior Power Generation since each Warp Nacelle has it's own Reactor for independent FTL Propulsion & Shields.
The rest of the vessel, the Saucer & StarDrive can have independent Warp Cores.

Ergo a standard 32nd Century StarFleet Vessel would have Quadruple Warp Cores or more with at least:
Saucer = 1x Warp Core + 1x Impulse Reactor/Engine set
StarDrive = 1x Warp Core + 1x Impulse Reactor/Engine set
Each Warp Nacelle = Individual Warp Core + Impulse Reactor/Engine set

That could easily explain the power difference moving into the 32nd Century Future.

I view it mainly as a trade off with both advantages and disadvantages, and I likewise think having a more accessible bridge module has advantages for technology swaps and refits.
But you would do Bridge Module Swaps only at a StarBase or Orbital ShipYard, which you have access to Industrial Sized Transporters anyways.

So you can just beam the Bridge Module into the central area designed for it and have it be more protected by being in the center.

It's not solely a weakness when the rest of the design is taken into account. Also, the hero ships are more likely to have additional plot armor.
Hero Ships almost always have Plot armor, that is the nature of fiction.

It still is a weakness, we even saw it on ST:ENT in a alternate timeline when the NX-01 Enterprise had the Bridge destroyed.

If I was playing ST Bridge Commander, I'd always target either the Warp Core, Bridge, or Sensors.

Then finish off the enemy.
 
If they wanted to give the impression of an alternate timeline they could've pulled a Yesterday's Enterprise and made it look more military instead of updating it in the same way the TOS tunics had been updated.
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It's the way the Monster Maroons looked around the alternate 2285. Not a retcon.
Then it ends up being used again in the last season, and things get more complicated.:crazy:

(If they fix the flap, that's a plus)
 
About warp cores...

The La Serina of Star Trek: Picard had six warp cores...
The Defiant, had one warp core, but with four streams.
The Enterprise-E had the same as the Defiant.

The point being to spread out a high energy reaction event.

Going back to the La Serina's six separate warp cores, if each one is putting out warp one power plus, then you will achieve warp factor six speed. So, what has changed? Volume of reactive products.

I think that the La Serina, was a warp factor nine plus ship...because of the multi stacking of warp cores. This is also why, she had Transwarp capability.
 
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