The only time I recall seeing a TWOK uniform in SNW was on Alt-future Pike in "A Quality of Mercy".
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And because it was an alternate timeline the Monster Maroon had slightly different detailing, mostly the Starfleet delta woven into the shoulders and down the sleeve seams.
You are correct. And we must avoid the future with that garbage take on the classic TWOK uniforms at all costs. But I'm sure that (like the SNW uniforms on the TOS uniforms) they're really supposed to be the same thing.
And the flap being the whole wrong shape with then a much longer strap to secure it.
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Always more letters in the alphabet, always pissed me off. Though I’m someone that sees the Enterprise as a character in its own right.
I'd trust "The Sisko" over "Cisco" any day of the week given how problematic "Cisco" as a company has been on top of how many security issues we find in "Cisco" routers.
I just viewed the comment as more of Picard's well-meaning but clumsy humor to smooth over a rough moment.
One of the genius things about FC is that you totally buy that they'll blow up ANOTHER Enterprise. So IMHO that line works.
Also it's the E or the crew. And the future.
Isn't that a time travel episode? They're hardly contemporary.
Yes, I'm sure the intent was for us to say "Ohhhh! Look at the changes that time travel has wrought upon the classic look of the TWOK Monster Maroons."
In much the same way that a different looking (and much larger) Enterprise and different uniforms from the classic Cage / TOS uniforms is also an indication of a muddied timeline or (gasp) an alternate universe. (Which makes that Cage flashback in Disco that indicated that nothing had actually changed SUPER weird.)
Fine, I'll go back to my original statement that as far as Meyer was concerned nothing had actually changed between TOS and TWOK other than one was a movie and one was a TV show.
I don't like the Monster Maroons. The SNW version did not change that opinion .
That was the intent? I'll take your word for it.
Meyer just did his own thing and repeated Kirk's arc.
This bothered me to the point of actually researching why they did that.
It appears that Pike’s MM had a panel of fabric that had little starfleet deltas in the fabric, much like the Abramsverse shirts and DSC uniforms that came after. The flap of the TWOK MM follows the shoulder line, which we are all used to and looks “correct”. The flap of Pike’s MM follows the seam line of that different-patterned panel. Because the lighting was so dark in that scene, the difference in the fabric was not clearly shown, which is why it looked “wrong”. The behind-the-scenes extras on that set of BRD’s used “house lighting”, as it were, where you could more clearly make out the fabric change.
I get what they tried to do, but it didn’t turn out too particularly well in the Final Cut, IMO.
I get why they had to add the deltas though. That original costume would never stand up on the big screens people have in their houses these days. It's just not designed to be cinematic.
If they had some better lighting going on to highlight the deltas, it might have displayed a more cohesive appearance.
Do you mean "viewed on a High Resolution Display" or "Cinematic"?
The size of the TOS Enterprise was never firmly established. I like to think the Enterprise was always in the 400m range. It solves so many issues.
I mean that I'm being incredibly sarcastic.
There was no need to update the Monster Maroons except that they wanted to.
No need to use the Monster Maroons…at all. (I’ve NEVER liked them).
I wasn’t sure of what you were saying there, but I agree that the MM should never have been changed. It was fine as-is.
Should that ever have been used at all? That’s a matter of opinion. And, if my current avatar is any indication, I’m totally okay with it. I’ve built 5 of them several decades ago for myself and others.
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