I know that the Federation allows a lot of things to occur among their members, especially if they are part of their culture. However, I also know there are some limits. So, what exactly are these limits? Where is the line drawn?
What exactly is allowed in the Federation and what exactly disqualifies membership?
- Thread starter BohandiAnsoid
- Start date
My guesses:
- United world, with little or no internal conflict. Stable government.
- Elimination of social issues like caste discrimination or slavery. This probably prohibits Ferengi style sexism.
- Universal human rights. Angosia' treatment of its veterans disqualified them.
- Reasonable technological level, enough that moving up to Federation tech levels will not significantly affect societal development.
- Adopting a non-imperial policy. Colonizing uninhabited worlds, OK. Conquering inhabited ones, not.
- United world, with little or no internal conflict. Stable government.
- Elimination of social issues like caste discrimination or slavery. This probably prohibits Ferengi style sexism.
- Universal human rights. Angosia' treatment of its veterans disqualified them.
- Reasonable technological level, enough that moving up to Federation tech levels will not significantly affect societal development.
- Adopting a non-imperial policy. Colonizing uninhabited worlds, OK. Conquering inhabited ones, not.
Ardana from "The Cloud Minders" seem to count these out. As does forced marriage, duels to the death and child bonding from the Vulcans.
Insurrection seems to imply that they are handing out Federation memberships like candy during the Dominion War.
RIKER: As First Officer of the Enterprise I think I can promise you that's not going to happen. The Kes will be denied membership.
MAURIC: You have no authority to make that decision. Despite whatever games you played with the Prytt when you arrived, we still plan to take our petition directly to the Federation Council. They'll listen
RIKER: They will also listen to the reports of the Captain of the Enterprise and his First Officer. And I can tell you right now the First Officer's report will go something like this. Kesprytt, a deeply troubled world with social, political, and military problems they have yet to resolve. The Kes, while a friendly and democratic people, are driven by suspicion, deviousness, and paranoia. It is the opinion of this officer they are not ready for membership.
MAURIC: You have no authority to make that decision. Despite whatever games you played with the Prytt when you arrived, we still plan to take our petition directly to the Federation Council. They'll listen
RIKER: They will also listen to the reports of the Captain of the Enterprise and his First Officer. And I can tell you right now the First Officer's report will go something like this. Kesprytt, a deeply troubled world with social, political, and military problems they have yet to resolve. The Kes, while a friendly and democratic people, are driven by suspicion, deviousness, and paranoia. It is the opinion of this officer they are not ready for membership.
Potential Federation members should have developed warp drive, making them warp capable, and they should also have achieved planetary peace. I cannot think of any more criteria for joining the homosapiens only club?
However, a Star Trek episode which deals with a Federation member being disbanded has *never* been dealt with before, as far as I can recall, and I think that this would be a *really* good storyline. Especially if the species was an established canon Federation member, not a random alien species of the week.
The Evora became a protectorate not a member
No we've only seen the aftermath of it in Discovery, would certainly be interesting to see the exact events when Vulcan, Andoria and Earth seceded.
Probably the result of a self destructive Federation ‘civil war’ resulting from the external influences of galactic powers larger than the Federation who wished to divide and conquer the alpha and beta quadrants, a bit like how the Roman Empire fell? Probably all initiated by those parasites from Conspiracy?
The Ktarians were ejected from the Federation for showing sympathies towards the Maquis.
It was because of the Burn.Probably the result of a self destructive Federation ‘civil war’ resulting from the external influences of galactic powers larger than the Federation who wished to divide and conquer the alpha and beta quadrants, a bit like how the Roman Empire fell? Probably all initiated by those parasites from Conspiracy?
It could be a sequel to The Cloud Minders. Ardana has not been in any great hurry to eliminate the Troglyte caste, and it's decades after Kirk and Spock left. (How long do the Ardanas live? Could Droxine still be alive, maybe she's ruler now?) A starship is sent to check on them as their responses to subspace radio are slow to nonexistent, and if Ardana is making no progress they will probably been reduced from a Federation member to a protected state.
The Fed won't even say hi to you if you don't have warp.
Kesprytt III, From TNG's Attached, suggests that even not having a world govt. is not a hard disqualifier. They ultimately didn't admit them because of their BS, but they were considering it.
Sometimes I think the only solid prerequisite for consideration is they be warp capable & thereby a part of the interstellar community. Then it's ultimately evaluated on a case by case basis, as to whether they're going to be problematic in some way, like they did when rejecting Angosia III
Until an episode changes that and MA edits the entry,
Well, until that happens, what is listed is accurate.
But that's same with everything we know so far.
Not sure where you get that idea given that the closest to a line that even implies that they might be Federation members (though I doubt it) is this:
SEVEN: The Ktarians were officially with the Federation, but they sympathised with the Maquis.
Which reads like they were an ally of the Federation, not a member, albeit one perhaps with rogue anti-Federation elements (it's interesting to consider whether the faction from The Game might have been the same faction who supported the Maquis or not).
Some of this might come down to creative definitions.
Ardana: We don't have castes, mining is just the traditional occupation of Troglite culture.
Vulcan: All arranged marriages can be called off by the engaged couple (before a certain point). And no one has dualed to the death in living memory.
As for one world government, If all the countries on Earth were UN members and none of them were being belligerent you could totally pass that off as a working one world government.
Thinking about it, the Vissians wouldnt be allowed Federation membership with their treatment of the Cogenitors.
Under the rules of the 24th century, almost certainly not. However, when the Federation was formed in 2161, the rules might have been less strict. I do like to think, however, that they would have been pressured to grant Cogenitors equal rights later on.
Similar threads
