The Transformers movies seem to indicate that.
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Looks really good. I can't wait. 
Yeah, that's false.
I wouldn't measure just in amount of money it makes at first. Some shows success happens later on when it becomes a cult hit. Firefly was not technically a success at first but now it is seen as a all-time classic and was even able to get a movie.
So, I found this dialogue from Secret Invasion. This is in the second episode:
The colony we see in The Marvels is - canonically - not the new Skrull homeworld that Fury found. It's just another planet that had Skrulls on it. it predated Secret Invasion, so its presence alone doesn't justify The Marvels being post Secret Invasion.
Of course, at the end of Secret Invasion, Fury says he's going to negotiate a Skrull-Kree peace treaty, and at the beginning of The Marvels, negotiations are underway. But we don't really know if those are the same set of negotiations, though that's the inference.
But that's what doesn't make sense. The whole thing that drove the plot of Secret Invasion was that Fury failed to find the Skrulls a new homeworld. The villain was motivated by his sense of betrayal about that, and wanted to take over Earth because the Skrulls had nowhere else to live. So if they have a viable colony world as shown in The Marvels, then the entire conflict of Secret Invasion has no reason to happen.
That's the line we're looking for. It implies that there are different Skrull factions and the ones on Earth may not be welcome in the colony seen in The Marvels.
You put the emphasis on the wrong word there.
Fury failed to find the Skrulls a new homeworld.
On one hand, I agree. But Dro'ge was the leader of the Skrull colony in The Marvels. Why name drop him in Secret Invasion as running a colony, and then show him in the Marvels, if that's not supposed to be the inference?
It's worth noting that principal photography for The Marvels happened earlier than Secret Invasion. The Marvels was mostly filmed in mid-2021, with some reshoots in summer 2022. Secret Invasion was mostly filmed in late 2021, with reshoots (again) in late 2022. It's likely that Secret Invasion's reshoots had time to react to whatever was filmed for The Marvels, but not the inverse. So that line was added on purpose, because a lot of pre-vis and the like had already been in the works for the Skrull colony for quite some time. They knew they needed an out for those Skrull, and so there was a name drop.
While I thought Secret Invasion was by far the worst MCU-related project, so much could have been forgiven if it wasn't for the last 5-10 minutes or so, which imply a global pogrom has started against not only potential Skrull, but all aliens (presumably including Asgardians?). Something like this should be almost as disruptive as The Blip, and be referenced elsewhere (particularly in Brave New World). I suppose one can argue that President Ritson just had a crazy, and was removed by Article 25, and the world settled down pretty fast, but I just don't understand, when Disney saw how terribly the project was going, they were allowed to have such a "global chaos" finale - making it the single most impactful story since Endgame?
I'm not saying it wasn't. I'm saying the reference feels like a cursory continuity patch on a deeper conceptual conflict between the two productions. Yes, they made a throwaway reference to the colony from The Marvels to patch the discrepancy, but they did nothing more to justify it, to explain why Gravik was so outraged about Fury's betrayal to find a colony if there was another colony out there already. If it's left to the audience to speculate about them being conflicting factions or whatever, if there's nothing in the actual stories to establish that, then it's a failure on the storytellers' part to address the issue meaningfully.
Yes, that's a given, since movie production takes much longer than TV production. It's the same reason Agents of SHIELD was able to dovetail its plotlines with the movies but the movies couldn't reference AoS in turn -- because the movies had massively more lead time before their release dates.
But that's exactly why it's inexcusable that Secret Invasion told a story that clashed with The Marvels rather than dovetailing with it. They had plenty of advance warning that there would be a Skrull colony in the movie, so why the hell did they build their story around Fury's failure to establish a Skrull colony? Why not construct the story differently to begin with?
Exactly why I think the whole series is better treated as apocryphal or a What If...? universe.
My compromise is that I still consider it canon, but will skip it in a rewatch.
There's a joke in The Franchise that references this or a similar issue. A big part of the movie that the director (played by Daniel Bruhl) has written depends on the role of this species of "Fish Men". Then, after the movie has already filmed several scenes the Feige character tells him he can no longer use the Fish Men because their entire species has just been exterminated in another film also in production. Since the other film is higher profile and released first, Bruhl's character has to rewrite his script around this snag.
The Franchise is a VERY funny take on how the comic book hero movie is made.
It would seem that while the MCU 616 is the sacred timeline, the comics 616 was the original timeline. As per Miss Minutes...
Wolverine??
Right?
I don't think you can take that too literally, since she said the wedding annual was published in the original timeline. Although, granted, the FF comic did exist as a publication within the comic itself.
What was that video, anyway? It seemed like it was an adaptation of the story from the wedding comic, but it can't be a direct one, since Wolverine was in it and he hadn't been created yet. It looks like it was excerpts from some animated show, but not one I recognize. Maybe previewing a new one?
The Reed and Sue wedding special was one of the first comics I bought. I know the guestlist.
