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Spoilers Andor - Season 2

Kleya's choice to go into the hospital was interesting. She prioritized protecting the Rebellion over forwarding the intel, and that was probably the correct choice.

Definitely. Something I realized is that the whole thing is, if not in vain, definitely of questionable value. Lonni risks his life and his family, and Luthen died after making himself a pariah chasing his white whale, for nothing that was actionable. It’s context, it’s exciting to finally know Palpatine’s biggest (third-biggest) secret, but what the hell are they supposed to do about it? It’s a big gun. The lead scientist’s name is Erso. So? Thus? And?

Meanwhile, Galen Erso himself serves the Death Star up to the rebels on a platter, using nothing but the kind of personal bonds of trust and affection Luthen considered purely transactional. He was able to turn Bodhi (using the same arguments Cassian used on the TIE tech), he had a personal connection with Saw. If it wasn’t for Saw’s paranoia, that might’ve been it. And even with it, the galaxy was saved by one of Cassian’s personal connections (though he ended up more toward the Luthen side in exploiting it).

Indeed, I wonder if without Kleya priming the pump, Draven wouldn’t have been more receptive to Galen’s defection, rather than taking it as an opportunity to do a pointlessly late assassination.

Cassian did thread the needle between Luthen and Kleya’s burn it all down, who cares what else happens anarchism and Mon and Bail’s legitimate concern that they’d still need to have a functioning galaxy for people to live in even after Palpatine was gone. He was vindicated in saying that Luthen lost perspective and should’ve pulled up stakes, but was also willing to be hard, but not mindlessly hard, as when he decided Galen was legit and opted not to kill him (personally).

I’m sure there are countless Imperial slave labor prison factories building all sorts of things, including assembling widgets that only exist for the next floor to receive and disassemble before sending the parts back to the first floor, but I theorize that the Empire was already building a second Death Star before the first was destroyed, and Dedra was building super laser sprockets or suchlike.
 
The same is also true in reverse. The ISB was put through a woodchipper for nothing more than Krennic trying to cover up the incompetence in his own ranks (like who sent those files to Dedra by mistake in the first place?) but there's just another person getting the story out already waiting in the wings.

It's what Luthen said to Dedra, by that point the Rebellion was everywhere. Even without Erso and with just Lonni's info maybe the Death Star stays secret a little longer, but without the Battle of Scarif they don't have Leia, they don't have the rescue attempt, and they don't find the Rebel Base on Yavin, and I think eventually it still works out in their defeat. It's not like the Death Star didn't have other exploitable weaknesses.

They're already too late no matter what action they take at that point.
 
I'm trying to think of the closest modern equivalent to what happened to Dedra and thought of Qin Gang (who's not a psycho like Dedra but did do a massive slipup similar to what happened to Dedra). To this day it's still not clear what happened to him afterwards.
 
This may just be me, but the scene of Partagaz listening to Nemick's manifesto while awaiting to be taken away for (presumably) execution may be the most emotionally charged of the whole show. Honestly, in those final moments before he ate his own blaster, I think Nemick may have made him a believer.
I don’t think it was that, more that he realized he was wrong about everything. He saw himself as a doctor fighting an infection, the manifesto made him realize he was the disease.
 
Just watched Rogue One tonight. And really recommend everyone here to watch it as it's basically the final episode of Andor IMO.
It fits like a perfect jigsaw piece to Andor. They really worked hard to make Andor fit smoothly into it. Rogue One now feels like Andor's film when you add in all that character history. Got sad when he lost K2 in the movie and the last scene on the beach I was not prepared for...

but I theorize that the Empire was already building a second Death Star before the first was destroyed, and Dedra was building super laser sprockets or suchlike.
That would have been a great little scene and nod to the future Death Star II. I think you're right. considering the first Death Star took something like 20 years to complete and with all the delays getting it working they had probably started work on the second one in the hope that the successful completion of the first (prototype?) would carry what it learned over to the second Death star.
 
Star Wars always shows people (Grand Inquisitor, Partagaz, etc.) killing themselves before Vader tortures them, and we do see in the Inquisitors that Vader can torture Jedi into becoming dark side fanatics, but then in ANH we see that Leia is physically well enough to take part in a firefight, open a way to the garbage chute, and is mentally coherent. It's not really consistent.

I suppose actually showing a Vader torture scene where the victim is a bloody, mutilated mess screaming "There are five lights" or whatever might go too far but they already crossed the line with the attempted r--- so I'm not sure why showing what Vader does to people would suddenly be too much.

I know there are explanations why he built his castle on Mustafar now but when I first saw Rogue One my assumption was that Vader takes prisoners and burns them alive in the lava and watches as he makes someone else suffer the way he suffered.
 
Like Han.

Han spent three years in the Imperial military as first a pilot and then a surface grunt. The great Han Solo was once the proud wearer of the uniform of Palpatine's army.
It depends which Han you're talking about. Legends Han was valedictorian and left the moment he saw Chewie being beaten and freed him, and only signed up to escape the harsh Corellian life. Canon Han also joined to escape the harsh Corellian life and free Qi'ra (freeing Chewie was turned into a self-preservation thing).

Luke is the one who was trying to sign up for the Imperial Academy and while his Tatooine life wasn't great, it was nowhere near as bad as Han's. There are claims he was always planning to defect (per deleted scenes etc) but I find that odd--rather than go to the Empire and then defect to the Rebels, why not try to find the Rebels directly first?
 
Needa didn't, nor did Ozzel.
Fair enough. The new material maybe went slightly overboard in turning Vader into a torture hungry psycho (chucking Dr. Aphra into space actually got me laughing because of how over-the-top they were trying to make Vader into). They actually did the same with Boba Fett in the comics torturing Luke's Tatooine friend to death after he told Boba what he wanted to hear, and then suddenly Boba's this softie in his tv show
 
Fair enough. The new material maybe went slightly overboard in turning Vader into a torture hungry psycho (chucking Dr. Aphra into space actually got me laughing because of how over-the-top they were trying to make Vader into). They actually did the same with Boba Fett in the comics torturing Luke's Tatooine friend to death after he told Boba what he wanted to hear, and then suddenly Boba's this softie in his tv show
Yeah, there's definitely a sadistic streak running through recent Star Wars stories, and fandom, and wanting to see Vader as this torturing malevolent force who kicks puppies just because. They want to see Rebels and civilians bloodied and beheaded.

It's...not to my tastes.
 
Though the way he Force-snaps that teenage kid's neck on Jabiim in an attempt to draw Obi-Wan out into the open is just plain effective. Disney Star Wars might sometimes go overboard making Vader look like Space Hitler in a black helmet, but moments like that scene on Jabiim work.
 
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