Spoilers Andor - Season 2

[Crewman6]

Let's discuss some horrible fan theories that fortunately did not come true in this series (not that Gilroy et al would have made such obviously bad choices, but what the heck?)

I'll go first:

Cassian's sister is: Kleya, Bix, Dedra

Kleya is Princess Leia

Luthen is a secret Jedi

 

[cooleddie74]

"But Luthen gave Cassian a blue kyber crystal, so that means he was once a Jedi!"

Guess not.

 

[Galaxy]

Is that a joke? We're supposed to "know" that planet is Scarif because it looks like the most generic blue-green planet ever?

Gimme a break. At no point does the show or Rogue One make it clear that Scarif has any connection to the Death Star other than housing "a copy of the plans" there, which, as Rogue One shows us, is just one of literally thousands of pieces of data on file there, as well. It's an archive.

There are other hints as well, such as Partagaz discussing a drastic increase in construction equipment to Scarif.

Probably even more that I do not recollect.

Why most everything just be declared billboard style? It is more fun if it is discrete. Similar to the indirect references to the Ghost in Andor and Rogue one, for most people the references will go over their head.

 

[Newt]

I'm sure even George Washington was a terrorist by 1770s and 1780s standards.

Indeed. He would have been considered a traitor and committed treason against the crown.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

"But Luthen gave Cassian a blue kyber crystal, so that means he was once a Jedi!"

Guess not.

That was an interesting theory, nonetheless.

Perhaps it's down to Luthen as a dealer in relics and a student of them. Perhaps the handle of his walking stick had been the hilt of a lightsaber. Perhaps that crystal had come from it. Perhaps to Luthen the value these relics had were as the symbols of the Republic that had been lost, ideas he could share with any number of people, those he chose and trusted. Perhaps he thought they could survive in pieces, instead of attracting unwanted Imperial attention as a unit, when assembled, a weapon that could have been wielded only by one, in vain.

 

[Newt]

Assuming with all the positive feedback with this show I wonder if they’ll do a spin off?
We still have usable characters like Mon Mothma, Bix, Vel, Kleya, Wilmon etc
Could do a series with the 3 episode arcs like:
The evacuation of yarvin to hoth
The discovery of the second Death Star
The aftermath of the death of Palpatine

 

[Crewman6]

That was an interesting theory, nonetheless.

It was a garbage theory.

 

[Newt]

"But Luthen gave Cassian a blue kyber crystal, so that means he was once a Jedi!"

Guess not.

Think we all had that thought. He has a kyber crystal he must be a Jedi. Lol
But with him being an antiques dealer makes sense.

Kinda glad it didn’t go that route with him being a secret Jedi.
If they had they potentially could have brought the inquisitors into it. And I personally not a fan of the inquisitors. Bunch of Darth Vader wannabes lol
Also I never got how it’s bending the rule of two thing.

Also it’s better he wasn’t a Jedi. Think the point of the series was to show these Rebels were originally people in the Star Wars universe. Kinda like the point you don’t have to be special like Luke Skywalker or Princess Leia to be a hero. It’s the regular folk who mass the resistance and stand up to tyranny…

 

[Reverend]

"But Luthen gave Cassian a blue kyber crystal, so that means he was once a Jedi!"

Guess not.

What interests me about that artefact is that it celebrated the defeat of an Empire. Indeed, at least three of the items he had his hands on had similar significance; the Kuati blue kyber celebrating victory over the Rakatans, the Chandrilan Chandi Merle plundered by the Rakatans, and the Devaronian victory necklace. Admittedly we don't know what victory the Devaronian piece celebrated, but I'm sensing a theme regardless.

Another theme in his inventory seems to be cultural weapons. There was the Utapaun monk cudgel back in season 1, the Nautolan bleeder of course, and there were a number of similar looking items on display like the Wookiee battleshield, and the Gungan energy shield.

The weapons of diverse cultures, and celebrating the fall of empire. Not the most subtle of metaphors, but it gets the point across.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It was a garbage theory.

Oh, no. No, it wasn't.

Even though it was obviously probably wrong, it drew attention to the Jedi and Jedi-type items in Luthen's possession. As an impetus to wonder how and why he had these things, which is itself interesting, the theory was anything but garbage.

Being correct isn't the only value a theory has. "The greatest teacher, failure is."

And one mark of a good show is giving you something to think about.

 

[Crewman6]

Oh, no. No, it wasn't.

Even though it was obviously probably wrong, it drew attention to the Jedi and Jedi-type items in Luthen's possession. As an impetus to wonder how and why he had these things, which is itself interesting, the theory was anything but garbage.

Being correct isn't the only value a theory has. "The greatest teacher, failure is."

And one mark of a good show is giving you something to think about.

It was a stupid theory because not everyone in SW is a jedi. It was based on dumb crap like, "ooh, Luthen carries a stick! Maybe he's a Jedi!" Dumb fan service-y crapola from small-minded people who have to find meaningless "connections" between every bit of SW lore.

As for the "items in his possession", do you mean the kyber crystal (meaningless, since friggin' Jyn had a kyber crystal and it didn't make her a jedi) or the stuff in his shop, which was just silly easter egg stuff placed by the art department and not meant to be taken seriously?

Luthen isn't Indiana Jones, either, even though the Sankara stones are in his shop.

 

[Newt]

Oh, no. No, it wasn't.

Even though it was obviously probably wrong, it drew attention to the Jedi and Jedi-type items in Luthen's possession. As an impetus to wonder how and why he had these things, which is itself interesting, the theory was anything but garbage.

Being correct isn't the only value a theory has. "The greatest teacher, failure is."

And one mark of a good show is giving you something to think about.

It was a fair theory. Jedi hiding in plain sight, with one or two artefacts that could incriminate him.
As I stated before l’m glad they didn’t go down that road.

But it’s part of the fun the theories and speculation. An enjoyable side of the fandom.
The fandom of late seems really polarising of late. Lot of your “opinion is wrong” or your “theory is garbage.” Instead of I disagree with your point of view or I don’t care for that theory. We’re at each others throats almost.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

It was a fair theory. Jedi hiding in plain sight, with one or two artefacts that could incriminate him.
As I stated before l’m glad they didn’t go down that road.

But it’s part of the fun the theories and speculation. An enjoyable side of the fandom.
The fandom of late seems really polarising of late. Lot of your “opinion is wrong” or your “theory is garbage.” Instead of I disagree with your point of view or I don’t care for that theory. We’re at each others throats almost.

Yeah I thought it was a fun theory, happy it's not the case, but I don't think it would detracted from the show if it was.

For me it was more the way he talked and dressed in a fun little black cape when doing secret meetings that gave me dark Jedi vibes.

 

[Newt]

For me it was more the way he talked and dressed in a fun little black cape when doing secret meetings that gave me dark Jedi vibes.

Yeah it crossed my mind, had some subtle nods on how he acted. He had a plan based on an equation.
That whole speech in the first series gave me pause to consider there may be more to this character.
His whole demeanor and agenda. Plus casting a high profile actor like Stellan Skarsgård. Star Wars is known for hiring good established actors for their Jedi mentors Alec Guinness and Liam Neeson come to mind. It wasn't a terrible theory.
I'm happy Luthen was an ordinary person in the end, as it was a show of ordinary characters that have little choice to fight the empire.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

It was a stupid theory because not everyone in SW is a jedi. It was based on dumb crap like, "ooh, Luthen carries a stick! Maybe he's a Jedi!" Dumb fan service-y crapola from small-minded people who have to find meaningless "connections" between every bit of SW lore.

As for the "items in his possession", do you mean the kyber crystal (meaningless, since friggin' Jyn had a kyber crystal and it didn't make her a jedi) or the stuff in his shop, which was just silly easter egg stuff placed by the art department and not meant to be taken seriously?

Luthen isn't Indiana Jones, either, even though the Sankara stones are in his shop.

It would have been stupid to present it as fact.

Implicit in the concept of a theory is the possibility that it is wrong. People having ideas, imagining possibilities, and discussing them, while acknowledging that the ideas under discussion might not be correct, isn't stupid. It's discussion.

 

[Set Harth]

For me it was more the way he talked and dressed in a fun little black cape when doing secret meetings that gave me dark Jedi vibes.

His appearances in the corridor where he would meet with Lonni did admittedly give Vader vibes, but I feel like that was just supposed to reinforce the idea that Luthen was kind of dark period.

Similar to the indirect references to the Ghost in Andor and Rogue one, for most people the references will go over their head.

I'm not sure if I would call it an indirect reference in Rogue One, since we actually see the ship.

 

[fireproof78]

The fandom of late seems really polarising of late. Lot of your “opinion is wrong” or your “theory is garbage.” Instead of I disagree with your point of view or I don’t care for that theory. We’re at each others throats almost.

This. It's exhausting and I'm beyond blown away by the childish nature of it. I thought being mocked for not liking all the EU books in my Star Wars fans club in college was the nadir of fan elitism in expressed attitudes. As it turns out, those were better times

 

[Set Harth]

It's somewhat embarrassing to realize only now that I basically had the timeline placement of the show wrong all this time. When I see "BBY 5" my brain turns that into "5 BBY" so I knee-jerk that means "5 years before ANH". But it turns out we've been in the equivalent of late December in each year, so to speak? I guess that makes Luthen's timeline reference in S1 a more or less precise fit after all.

 

[valkyrie013]

Okay, Season 2 done.
My Opinion will kinda go against the grain, again my opinion.
First 15 min of S2 started off great, then it hit a brick wall and slid down to mediocrity (edited) for the rest of 1, 2, and 3. 4, 5,6.. I honestly don't remember what was going on was so meh. 7 was a good lead up to Ep 8. 8 was okay, but i was bogged down by the stupidity of the Ghor people to go into a plaza that is locked up and surrounded by troopers, and thats after Tarkin done the same thing 10 years ago. Mon's escape in 9 was okay, again dumfounded that after they tried to cut off the transmission that they didn't send troops to her balcony, or atleast her limo, there getaway was comical.
10 and 11 were good with Luthren and them, and we FINALLY get K2SO ... for what.. an episodes worth? Criminally under used. then 12 was setup for Rogue One and was thenforth.. boring.
Then Bix having a kid with no dad is a troupe that NEEEDS to stop. Its horrible.

So in all, out of 24 episodes, 10 were good, some were okay, rest drained my soul of the will to live.
So, watched it, got the completest out of me, now won't watch it ever again.

 

[Set Harth]

I think you mean mediocrity, not meritocracy.