What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You would think Jaresh Inyo would understand his role as President of the United Federation of Planets.

That's why I call it a HSO (Hybrid Service Organization).

It's Military + other responsibilities.

It's not All Military, All the time.

A byproduct of growing up with TNG, and that fucking line.

And yet that attitude is prevalent, even in DISCO & SNW which takes place in the TOS time frame.

 

[BillJ]

It's not All Military, All the time.

It is all military if your ships are built for war and you drop everything when war comes calling. Starfleet's primary purpose is the defense of the Federation.

From "The Doomsday Machine", Commodore Decker...

Our primary duty is to maintain life and safety of Federation planets. Do you deny that?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Does the same Modern Military Representative bring a Full Universities worth of Scientists, Researchers, & Engineering & Repair teams everywhere they go?
Are they dragging Anthropologists, Biologists, Chemists, Physics majors with them everywhere they travel on a StarShip?

You do realize that the Military has officers who are scientists with degrees and expertise in those areas. A Starship is more akin to a base than a ship. Essentially a small city in space.

 

[XCV330]

You do realize that the Military has officers who are scientists with degrees and expertise in those areas. A Starship is more akin to a base than a ship. Essentially a small city in space.

it's been explained. We're in the (checks marks made on antler bone with flint) 5th loop in this timeline.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It is all military if your ships are built for war and you drop everything when war comes calling. Starfleet's primary purpose is the defense of the Federation.

From "The Doomsday Machine", Commodore Decker...

Yes, when our people is threatened, we go into "Full Military Mode" when that happens.

No Denying that.

But what happens when that isn't the case?

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

• KIRK: Find out what you can about Balthazar Edison.  98: 29 
• SCOTT: The captain of the Franklin?  98: 31 
• KIRK: Yeah.  98: 33 
• SCOTT: Sir, he'll be long dead.  98: 33 
• KIRK: No. He's not. I don't know how, but Edison is Krall.  98: 34 
• KIRK: What'd you find?  98: 48 
• SCOTT: His record goes back way before the Federation even existed. He was a major in the United Earth Military Assault Command Operation. A lot of off-world combat.  98: 49 
• KIRK: He was a soldier.  98: 57 
• SCOTT: Aye, sir. And a pretty good one. His military service came to an end when MACO was disbanded.  98: 58 
• KIRK: Why, what happened?  99: 02 
• SCOTT: The Federation, sir. Starfleet. We're not a military agency. They made him a captain and gave him the Franklin.  99: 03 

It wasn't military enough for Edison compared to straight MACOs - Starfleet service involved too much of the other stuff, or at least in his experience/jaded POV, it did.

There's also this from TSOG:

• TRELANE: Und Offizier Jaeger, und der deutsche Soldat, nein? Eins, zwei, drei, vier. Gehen vir mit dem Schiessgewehr.  13: 25 
• JAEGER: I'm a scientist, not a military man.  13: 36 
• TRELANE: Oh come now. We're all military men under the skin. And how we do love our uniforms.

Jaeger prefers to think of himself as a scientist member of a service, not a soldier doing science.

The Picard "not a military" scene:

• Captain Picard, it is my understanding that you initially resisted Starfleet's request for this simulation.  1: 51 
• PICARD: Yes.  2: 24 
• KOLRAMI: May I know why?  2: 26 
• PICARD: Starfleet is not a military organisation. Its purpose is exploration.  2: 27 
• KOLRAMI: Then why am I here?  2: 32 
• PICARD: With the Borg threat, I decided that my officers and I needed to hone our tactical skills. In a crisis situation, it is prudent to have several options.  2: 36 
• RIKER: I prefer brains over brawn as well. I think it's a waste of effort to test our combat skills. It's a minor province in the make-up of a starship captain.  2: 50 

 

[EnderAKH]

Keep going boys, I think you've almost solved it this time!

 

[XCV330]

Its almost as if these millions of responses are pointless…

what if we did a Line By Line Thread of this actual thread to commemorate this thread?

 

[BillJ]

Yes, when our people is threatened, we go into "Full Military Mode" when that happens.

No Denying that.

But what happens when that isn't the case?

Maybe that is some homework for you. Find out what militaries do when they aren't fighting wars. They just don't go home and wait for the next one.

 

[BillJ]

what if we did a Line By Line Thread of this actual thread to commemorate this thread?

You are a cruel person!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You do realize that the Military has officers who are scientists with degrees and expertise in those areas. A Starship is more akin to a base than a ship. Essentially a small city in space.

Yet does the modern US Navy's Carriers, Cruisers, Submarines carry a full NASA style contingent with it everywhere it goes?

 

[XCV330]

You are a cruel person!

BillJ: You are a cruel person!

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Maybe that is some homework for you. Find out what militaries do when they aren't fighting wars. They just don't go home and wait for the next one.

Yeah, they go back to base, they train, they prep, they do maintainence, they do military exercises, they do whatever mission is assigned to them or ready for said mission.

They have a pretty full schedule.

 

[1001001]

what if we did a Line By Line Thread of this actual thread to commemorate this thread?

I’ve already got Carpal Tunnel Syndrome from trying to keep up with this ridiculous circle jerk.

 

[XCV330]

Yet does the modern US Navy's Carriers, Cruisers, Submarines carry a full NASA style contingent with it everywhere it goes?

NASA doesn't carry a full NASA style contingent with it wherever it goes.

Because there is no such thing.

Are we discussing ISS Crew rotations, STS flights? Apollo missions? Gemini?

 

[BillJ]

Yet does the modern US Navy's Carriers, Cruisers, Submarines carry a full NASA style contingent with it everywhere it goes?

You realize this doesn't make any sense? You do know who helps recover NASA vehicles when they splashdown in the ocean?

https://www.spacecom.mil/Newsroom/News/Article-Display/Article/3694579/department-of-defense-completes-underway-recovery-test-11-with-nasa/

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

You realize this doesn't make any sense. You do know who helps recover vehicles when they splashdown in the ocean?

https://www.spacecom.mil/Newsroom/N...ompletes-underway-recovery-test-11-with-nasa/

Yes I know, they're tasked with recovery of NASA's space vessels.

That's one of their commonly assigned missions.

That falls within SAR (Search & Rescue) / Recovery parameters of their mission scope.

 

[BillJ]

Yes I know, they're tasked with recovery of NASA's space vessels.

Along with NASA. It seems that they have a relationship. NASA would be considered military adjacent. Especially considering many folks come from the military.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Yet does the modern US Navy's Carriers, Cruisers, Submarines carry a full NASA style contingent with it everywhere it goes?

It's far quicker to scramble needed personnel from a US base to any given point on Earth than it would be to ship the foremost expert on a particular alien species from his home on Luna to a random place in the Gamma Quadrant where the alien species has been located, barring transwarp serendipity.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

NASA doesn't carry a full NASA style contingent with it wherever it goes.

Because there is no such thing.

Are we discussing ISS Crew rotations, STS flights? Apollo missions? Gemini?

That's my point, StarFleet is doing what University & Research Institutes do on top of their traditional Military Responsibilities would be.

We're talking taking their main-line fighting ship, filling it with scientists & experiments, and going somewhere foreign and doing said experiements, but out in the unknown frontiers.

Everywhere, all the time on almost all of their vessels.

That is very different from how the US Military is operating today and seperates itself from many of the Universities Top Research Institutes, which are Civilian Organizations.