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Oh it sure did that they got cancelled midway filming S5 and Mikey boy from LD made fun of the Klingons and stoked the fire in online discourse.
DSC is the fastest forgotten Trek of the modern era.
They knew they were likely not getting season 6.

And LD got cancelled too, as did Prodigy. I guess they're also forgotten.
 
They are. Look around. There are more discussions about TOS-ENT, or even the KT, but none for DSC, LD or Pro.
None? I see Discovery creep up here and elsewhere.

Lower Decks occasionally.

Prodigy I'll call forgotten but that's about it. The KT barely gets any and usually to insult the producers again because that's a persuasive argument.

Regardless, popularity doesn't change personal enjoyment. Discovery Klingons are my third favorite.
 
They knew they were likely not getting season 6.
I don't think that's strictly true. The season was not originally intended to be the series finale - look at Saru being absent for a large swath of it due to Doug Jones' commitments on Hocus Pocus II, as well as the 20-minute epilogue added to the finale (which itself came from the original season 6 story arc).

From what I gather, the decision to end Discovery came after principal photography was completed on the season, not during or before.
 
I don't think that's strictly true. The season was not originally intended to be the series finale - look at Saru being absent for a large swath of it due to Doug Jones' commitments on Hocus Pocus II, as well as the 20-minute epilogue added to the finale (which itself came from the original season 6 story arc).

From what I gather, the decision to end Discovery came after principal photography was completed on the season, not during or before.
The odds were not in their favor. Yes, it was hoped to get 6 but it wasn't guaranteed.
 
As much as I don’t care about CBS Trek, I wonder how some folks are defining success.

CBS poured a lot of money into Discovery for all five seasons that were produced. None of this was done on the cheap. It has spawned two spinoffs and a streaming movie.

I’m pretty simple, can someone explain to me how the above is a failure?

EDIT: It actually spawned three spinoffs if we count Short Treks.
 
It didn't fail at all. It was, how shall I put it, financially successful room temperature tofu. It made Paramount a lot of money and spawned new productions, but to me it was the nadir of streaming Trek as a series.

And I say that knowing good and well PIC Season 2 is the nadir as an individual season.
 
As much as I don’t care about CBS Trek, I wonder how some folks are defining success.

CBS poured a lot of money into Discovery for all five seasons that were produced. None of this was done on the cheap. It has spawned two spinoffs and a streaming movie.

I’m pretty simple, can someone explain to me how the above is a failure?

EDIT: It actually spawned three spinoffs if we count Short Treks.
I wonder if people are still using the 7 seasons/20 episode a season benchmark. I feel like new IP shows getting 2 or 3 seasons is great these days, so Discovery or others getting five is solid even with the Star Trek background. Even Enterprise got a decent run with almost a hundred episodes, and maybe it just looks bad in comparison to TNG/DS9/Voyager.
 
I wonder if people are still using the 7 seasons/20 episode a season benchmark. I feel like new IP shows getting 2 or 3 seasons is great these days, so Discovery or others getting five is solid even with the Star Trek background. Even Enterprise got a decent run with almost a hundred episodes, and maybe it just looks bad in comparison to TNG/DS9/Voyager.

It would be a mistake to compare now with the TV market of twenty years ago.
 
How many sci-fi streaming series have made it more than five seasons?
Stranger Things, Lucifer, The Boys. Granted it's limited but there are others I can't think of right now.
As much as I don’t care about CBS Trek, I wonder how some folks are defining success.
Dunno about others but here's my personal definition: a show or a movie that leaves an impact both in the minds of the viewers and has significant viewership over time.
People that have never seen even a minute of Trek knows who Kirk/Spock or Picard/Data are.
Ask them about Burnham however and they'll give you a blank look.
Off Trek: few years back Eleven became popular from Stranger Things. Homelander from Boys is memed out the ass.
I hardly ever see memes about Discovery.
CBS poured a lot of money into Discovery for all five seasons that were produced. None of this was done on the cheap. It has spawned two spinoffs and a streaming movie.
By that metric you can say Citadel or Rings of Power was succesful too cuz Amazon spent hundreds of millions on it.
We both know that wasn't the case, Reacher or Boys has much better viewership, cultural penetration and media awareness.
 
Dunno about others but here's my personal definition: a show or a movie that leaves an impact both in the minds of the viewers and has significant viewership over time.

So things CBS doesn’t really care about? Discovery’s job was to bring subscribers to Paramount+. For four seasons it did that to the degree that CBS continued to bring the show back.

By that metric you can say Citadel or Rings of Power was succesful too cuz Amazon spent hundreds of millions on it.
We both know that wasn't the case, Reacher or Boys has much better viewership, cultural penetration and media awareness.

You have created a very weird and arbitrary standards to consider something a success. I imagine it is just so you can say the show is a failure.

And, Stranger Things is wrapping up this year, with season five. It also looks like The Boys will finish with season five in 2026. There were only three streaming seasons of Lucifer. The first three aired on FOX.
 
You have created a very weird and arbitrary standards to consider something a success. I imagine it is just so you can say the show is a failure.
I am doing no such thing. DSC is a failure, so was Pro. LD was succesful for a bit, SNW too.

And, Stranger Things is wrapping up this year, with season five. It also looks like The Boys will finish with season five in 2026.
Succesful or not, these truncated five season shows from these massive streamers are pathetic at best.
 
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