Picard film in development

[BillJ]

Meh, he does a brilliant job shoving them into the nineties. The TOS description of them, as an actual war and not a "secret" one, was always terribly evocative and made me think about the epic nature of a conflict where people who are indisputably Better Than Us have conquered the world, and mankind has banded together to fight them off and drive them back. In that regard, the books are quite lacking because the Augments never conquer, they just puppeteer behind the scenes.

Honestly, you don’t really need to move them to still have Eugenic supermen fighting humans for the planet. They could still exist in the 21st century, even with a 1992-1996 war.

It just wouldn’t be Khan. They would have to create new engaging characters.

 

[Laura Cynthia Chambers]

Kick Humanity up A Notch?

 

[fireproof78]

What CBS should've done was simply say, "we're making Star Trek" and allow fans to hash it out. Though we now live in the era of creators who think they to are stars and need to constantly be out there making statements that very few actually care about.

And fans are black and white about things

 

[BillJ]

And fans are black and white about things

Some things we are, other times not so much.

 

[HotRod]

Honestly, you don’t really need to move them to still have Eugenic supermen fighting humans for the planet. They could still exist in the 21st century, even with a 1992-1996 war.

But we also have multiple examples of traveling back to the 90s and early 2000s and seeing absolutely zero signs of the Eugenics Wars. In a time when whole populations were being destroyed, as Spock mentioned, you'd think you would see some sign of that in 1996 Los Angeles. Hell, you'd think someone from Voyager would bring it up.

 

[BillJ]

But we also have multiple examples of traveling back to the 90s and early 2000s and seeing absolutely zero signs of the Eugenics Wars. In a time when whole populations were being destroyed, as Spock mentioned, you'd think you would see some sign of that in 1996 Los Angeles. Hell, you'd think someone from Voyager would bring it up.

Would they if they were in an area unaffected? Khan is pretty clear on when he left Earth...

Captain! Captain! Save your strength. These people have sworn to live and die at my command two hundred years before you were born. Do you mean he never told you the tale? To amuse your Captain? No? Never told you how the Enterprise picked up the Botany Bay, lost in space in the year nineteen hundred and ninety-six, myself and the ship's company in cryogenic freeze?

As far as the two hundred years goes? Back at that point in the franchise, most thought the show took place in the early-23rd century. Which would be roughly two hundred years. The Spaceflight Chronology has the Enterprise II launching in 2215.

For me? The change is like handing me a 3001 movie with all the dates changed from 2001 and 2010, yet telling me it is all the same.

 

[Dukhat]

I forget: Was La'an shocked to see Khan as a little kid in the 21st century? Or was she acting like it was normal?

P.S. Aren't we getting a little off-topic here?

 

[BillJ]

P.S. Aren't we getting a little off-topic here?

Welcome to the TrekBBS. Sometimes we turn off onto interesting side streets.

 

[HotRod]

P.S. Aren't we getting a little off-topic here?

Let's just say we're Picard adjacent thanks to "Project Khan" season 2.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Welcome to the TrekBBS. Sometimes we turn off onto interesting side streets.

It's in San Francisco, so it's on topic and canon!!

 

[HotRod]

As far as the two hundred years goes? Back at that point in the franchise, most thought the show took place in the early-23rd century. Which would be roughly two hundred years. The Spaceflight Chronology has the Enterprise II launching in 2215.

But why are we so willing to ignore things like the 200-year mention, or Data graduating in the class of '79, while also being so unwilling to ignore a couple mentions of the 90s? Pretty much everything since TNG started has moved any kind of major conflict on Earth to the mid 21st century, while also showing us, through time travel, the 90s and early 21st century untouched my major conflicts.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But why are we so willing to ignore things like the 200-year mention, or Data graduating in the class of '79, while also being so unwilling to ignore a couple mentions of the 90s? Pretty much everything since TNG has started has moved any kind of major conflict n Earth to the mid 21st century, while also showing us through time travel the 90s and early 21st century untouched my major conflicts.

The sacred texts can not be altered!!! (Except when they are!)

 

[BillJ]

But why are we so willing to ignore things like the 200-year mention, or Data graduating in the class of '79, while also being so unwilling to ignore a couple mentions of the 90s?

I'd say because, at the time, the two-hundred-year mention made sense within the context of the universe. I always figured Data's class of '79, out of universe is a flub, in-universe I always just nailed it down to some kind on internal clock, unique to Data.

I have a harder time when we have two characters, fifteen years apart in universe, stating the same exact year. It is harder for me to paper over. If it was just Spock, we could call it fragmented records because Spock seems to be wrong a lot now. Spock and Khan, fifteen years apart? Just a whole lot tougher.

 

[Dukhat]

But why are we so willing to ignore things like the 200-year mention, or Data graduating in the class of '79, while also being so unwilling to ignore a couple mentions of the 90s?

Because some premises change, and some don't. The ones that don't are the ones that they continue to keep focusing on over time, like the 1996 date.

 

[fireproof78]

The sacred texts can not be altered!!! (Except when they are!)

Thank you for the inconsistent consistencies.

 

[BillJ]

I should be honest, if there is inconsistent information, I'm going to pick the original Star Trek every single time over its offspring.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I should be honest, if there is inconsistent information, I'm going to pick the original Star Trek every single time over its offspring.

Well it did set the bar for inconsistencies.

 

[BillJ]

...while also showing us, through time travel, the 90s and early 21st century untouched my major conflicts.

How much of the 1990's have we seen since 1987?

 

[BillJ]

Well it did set the bar for inconsistencies.

It was also incredibly creative. If the current folks were as creative, very few would care about inconsistent dates.

 

[Nerys Myk]

How much of the 1990's have we seen since 1987?

All of it.
Oh, wait. you mean in-universe