They were in TOS
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Unironically this, at least most of the time. Most of NuTrek very obviously hates the franchise, except for Lower Decks and Picard season 3. Pretty much everything else is just bad original Sci-Fi with a Star Trek paint, especially DSC. The main producer is a hack who0 has never liked Trek, even when he was just a co-writer of a few crappy "Star Trek" films.
Strange New Worlds is in a weird half space where sometimes they produce an episode obviously written by people who actually like Star Trek and care, and then sometimes they produce episodes with fucking singing or ripping off movies like Freaky Friday or Alien and you can tell those episodes were made by people who desperately didn't want to be making Star Trek.
A bunch of woman wanted to "get" Spock in TOS. At no point did I ever believe that Chapel and Spock were more then work acquaintances, with Chapel having an unrequited crush on Spock. Spock and Chapel sure as hell don't have a multi year close relationship in TOS.
Confessing "love" under influence means nothing anyway, in that same episode Sulu tried to sword fight people shirtless but that doesn't mean he secretly always wanted to quit Star Fleet to be a Musketeer, and I doubt Lt. Riley actually wanted to commit suicide while singing his way to death in the engine room.
No.
Double No.
No.
Hardly my favourite series, but No.
No.
Sounds like TOS.
Never seen Turnabout Intruder?
More of an homage. Hardly unique to "nuTrek."
That's your interpretation.
Just posted on a thread about singing in a TOS episode. Who knew music would be so offensive?
Just posted on a thread about singing in a TOS episode. Who knew music would be so offensive?
You can put all the music and singing you want in an episode but when you're self aware enough to use the word musical then youve crossed the line
As opposed to Worf saying he's not a merry man?
The line appears very fluid to me.
It's amazing how standards change based on what can get you the most internet attention.
True.
I am not great fan of music in Star Trek, and that includes TOS going forward, Data's lifeform song, and so on, but I don't feel the musical crosses a line.
Mileage will vary.
The musical was just "an anomaly makes the crew do a weird thing", which is an extremely common plot. Is singing that much stranger than becoming a swordsman and attacking people in the halls? I think the only sane argument against it is that SNW is becoming a show composed entirely of gimmicks, where each episode is putting the characters in a "wacky" situation that's far from the show's original premise. I don't fully agree with this argument, but an aversion to Star Trek: Legends of Tomorrow makes more sense than opposing Star Trek: Bizarre Space Anomalies, which could describe pretty much all of TOS.
Being compelled to construct perfectly reasonable lyrics and choreography on the spot to music everyone else can hear is infinitely stranger than getting drunk and singing "I'll Take You Home Again, Kathleen" in engineering.
Being an "anomaly of the week " would make it strange.
Picard going to a dimension were thought is the basis of reality and seeing his dead mother was also strange.
According to what metric, exactly?
Perhaps, but for me, it isn't stranger than this:
Or this:
Or this:
Or even this:
However YMMV.
Don't forget the giant God hand in space and Michael Forrest in a skirt.
Okay maybe when I said 'strange' I should've said 'unbelievable'.
Shore Leave is basically a holodeck, it's a theme park. The White Rabbit is equally as weird as Vic Fontaine. The most bizarre thing about it is the fact they're okay with killing the guests.
Abraham Lincoln in space is a projection, it's just some rock aliens screwing around. Also technology the Federation has.
Patterns of Force was a dude introducing Nazi iconography to a planet deliberately. It was a really dumb choice by him to do that, but it's not a impossible coincidence.
Storm Front has an alien dressing like a Nazi when working with the Nazis. I don't know why he did that, but if you want to get a Nazi uniform, World War II is where to look.
So yeah this is striking unusual imagery for sure, it definitely meets the definition of strange, but the explanation is always something mundane. If the SNW musical had been explained by a godlike alien in a skirt, then fair enough, someone intelligent could certainly pull this off with telepathy, mind control, and a copy of GarageBand. They didn't give us a godlike alien though. They didn't give us an intelligence.
Shore Leave is basically a holodeck, it's a theme park. The White Rabbit is equally as weird as Vic Fontaine. The most bizarre thing about it is the fact they're okay with killing the guests.
Abraham Lincoln in space is a projection, it's just some rock aliens screwing around. Also technology the Federation has.
Patterns of Force was a dude introducing Nazi iconography to a planet deliberately. It was a really dumb choice by him to do that, but it's not a impossible coincidence.
Storm Front has an alien dressing like a Nazi when working with the Nazis. I don't know why he did that, but if you want to get a Nazi uniform, World War II is where to look.
So yeah this is striking unusual imagery for sure, it definitely meets the definition of strange, but the explanation is always something mundane. If the SNW musical had been explained by a godlike alien in a skirt, then fair enough, someone intelligent could certainly pull this off with telepathy, mind control, and a copy of GarageBand. They didn't give us a godlike alien though. They didn't give us an intelligence.
You can just dislike the episode without all the squirming justifications.
People generally dislike things because of reasons.
This is probably a representation for how these repeated talking points are making me feel:
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