Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Grendelsbayne]

Technically this is a deleted scene that Ryan Reynolds dropped post-release. I believe it's show in really low-res cut-up section of this scene on one of the TVA screens, but I'm not sure if enough made it into the movie to be officially canon. Though of course canonicity means little given the multiverse.

Regardless, D&W implied he'd be rescued by the TVA (along with Blade and Elektra, presuming they survived too). That would seemingly put him on a different "team" than the other X-Men that we're going to get. Or, at the very least, the Beast introduced at the end of The Marvels is from a different universe than the Gambit introduced in D&W. Kinda has to be. I mean, I know Gambit was technically in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, but it's pretty heavily implied that the Gambit we met in D&W is from a pruned timeline.

I'd love if we get introduced to Gambit as Mobius's new partner or something in Doomsday (really seems like the TVA needs to be involved, and we have to see Loki somehow), though that would kind of require a lot of other characters being dragged in.

If Gambit's timeline was pruned then they had no 'legitimate' timeline to return him to. And since the new TVA is kinder and gentler they wouldn't force him to stay in the TVA, so they'd have to send him to some other timeline. The Deadpool one would make sense, but since he wasn't at Deadpool's party it's possible they sent him to a timeline that was as close as possible to his own. He can easily be part of the Beast/Monica team

 

[UssGlenn]

That's just silly. That's just the natural reflection of light. Plus, there's no movement of light, which is a hallmark of Marvel Sparkle Circles.

But the golden fill light just appears from nowhere to light up his body, before the close up. Occam's Razor. It's a portal.

 

[Christopher]

But the golden fill light just appears from nowhere to light up his body, before the close up. Occam's Razor. It's a portal.

Yes, it's definitely a portal -- you can see the reflection in his eyes expanding into a ring. Plus the way it's directed clearly shows that he's turning and reacting to something significant. On the other hand, it's a deleted scene, so it doesn't count as something that actually happened in the film. At most, it represents the intention of the filmmakers at the time it was shot, which they may or may not have changed their minds about afterward.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

If Natasha did return, that would be quite.......comical.

 

[Jayson1]

If Gambit's timeline was pruned then they had no 'legitimate' timeline to return him to. And since the new TVA is kinder and gentler they wouldn't force him to stay in the TVA, so they'd have to send him to some other timeline. The Deadpool one would make sense, but since he wasn't at Deadpool's party it's possible they sent him to a timeline that was as close as possible to his own. He can easily be part of the Beast/Monica team

Maybe he was late to the party. When we see them all celebrating together he just outside of the building bringing him his birthday gift. A Ryan Reynolds signed autographed cop of "Van Wilder" on 4K. He just woke up late because he hasn't had to really keep track of time for a long time while living in the Void.

 

[Set Harth]

If Natasha did return, that would be quite.......comical.

But she can't! Jeremy Renner said so!

 

[Jayson1]

But she can't! Jeremy Renner said so!

She hit some branches on the fall down softening the blow of impact. But it did give her amnesia that wouldn't you know it. Just cured up in time for the "Avengers" movie.

 

[eschaton]

I don't think there's any reason to assume that, since there are many reasons a film could have been re-edited; indeed, reshoots are routine for any movie with the time and budget to permit them, since revision is a natural and essential part of the creative process.

As I said, the very nature of the story -- three protagonists meeting for the first time or reuniting after a long time, needing to learn about each other and find a way to work together -- has exposition built into it on a fundamental level. Not to mention that exposition is one of the most elementary tools in a writer's kit, so it's implausible that anyone would construct a story that lacked it. It's rather like assuming that someone designed a car and forgot to give it windows.

Exposition is the "vegetables" of narrative, if the entire story is a meal. Yeah, it's good for you, but unless you season it well/mix it in with other stuff like characterization, lots of folks are going to choke on it.

And yeah, exposition in films often increases due to reshoots - either because scenes which made the narrative coherent are eliminated, or because the initial screeners have a negative reaction as audiences are too confused about the direction of the plot.

If Gambit's timeline was pruned then they had no 'legitimate' timeline to return him to. And since the new TVA is kinder and gentler they wouldn't force him to stay in the TVA, so they'd have to send him to some other timeline. The Deadpool one would make sense, but since he wasn't at Deadpool's party it's possible they sent him to a timeline that was as close as possible to his own. He can easily be part of the Beast/Monica team

That timeline probably already has a Gambit, though. We know X-Men Origins: Wolverine had one. We also know that his name appeared briefly onscreen in the core movies. He might not have joined up with the X-Men, but he was probably out there.

Yes, it's definitely a portal -- you can see the reflection in his eyes expanding into a ring. Plus the way it's directed clearly shows that he's turning and reacting to something significant. On the other hand, it's a deleted scene, so it doesn't count as something that actually happened in the film. At most, it represents the intention of the filmmakers at the time it was shot, which they may or may not have changed their minds about afterward.

My understanding is Reynolds filmed a lot of "fake endings" to the movie to try to hype up future projects. This one in particular was to try and get a Gambit solo movie made.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I would love to see the Kingpin in the new Spider-Man film and get Spidey back to his street level status.

Ive wanted to see that level of threat in the MCU's Spider-Man films mirror a very key era of the comic. That, and the Punisher in a Spider-Man film would bring a great, comic-based edge to Spider-Man that's been missing in the MCU version.

 

[Christopher]

Exposition is the "vegetables" of narrative, if the entire story is a meal. Yeah, it's good for you, but unless you season it well/mix it in with other stuff like characterization, lots of folks are going to choke on it.

Which is the opposite of what I'm saying, that it makes no sense to assume a story would be written without it. Yes, often it's decided that more is needed, but like I said, the story of The Marvels is tailor-made for exposition because the characters are explaining themselves to each other as they go, and that process of getting to know each other is literally what the whole story is about.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

That timeline probably already has a Gambit, though. We know X-Men Origins: Wolverine had one. We also know that his name appeared briefly onscreen in the core movies. He might not have joined up with the X-Men, but he was probably out there.

That's a meaningless objection. That timeline only has an extra Gambit if the writers want it to. We literally know almost nothing about that world. There's no reason whatsoever why their native Gambit couldn't already be dead, just like Wade's native Wolverine was already dead.

 

[JD]

So, the kitchen sink (minus those that crapped out at the Box Office, save for Cap 2.0), an RDJ resurrection and apparently, more to follow. Minus any build up (though the Russo brothers have framed this as a beginning than an ending).

There's been plenty of build up, we got all the multiversal stuff in Multiverse of Madness, Loki, No Way Home, and What If? as a set up for Doomsday and Secret Wars.

 

[Aragorn]

Daily rumor: Chad Stahelski to direct Blade!

The very next rumor: Blade movie scrapped!

An upcoming rumor: Blade to be written by the members of TrekBBS using the five-words-at-a-time game.

 

[Anwar]

I don't get why Spider-Man is considered a "Streets only" level Superhero but guys like Captain America and Hawkeye aren't.

Heck, I kept running into the "A guy like Sam can't fight the Red Hulk!" while Batman fights Darkseid without complaint

 

[Nerys Myk]

I don't get why Spider-Man is considered a "Streets only" level Superhero but guys like Captain America and Hawkeye aren't.

Heck, I kept running into the "A guy like Sam can't fight the Red Hulk!" while Batman fights Darkseid without complaint

Guys like Spider-Man, Hawkeye, Captain America and yes, Batman work best at street level. Occasional forays into the "cosmic" are fine, especially in a team situation. But not on a regular basis. Putting them up against a cosmic foe is just a very to make them "kewl". Mad scientists, gangsters and costumed villains are their sweet spots

Can't say I've ever heard of anyone putting Hawkeye above street level.

Red Hulk (and all Hulks) aren't really Darkseid level threats. No reason why a street level guy can't take them on.

 

[Christopher]

Can't say I've ever heard of anyone putting Hawkeye above street level.

He was on another planet in Endgame -- and on top of a very high cliff he was ready to throw himself off of, so I'd say that constitutes being way above street level in a few different ways.

Unless you mean specifically in Hawkeye's solo adventures.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Can't say I've ever heard of anyone putting Hawkeye above street level.

Well, he was once last Avenger standing against The Collector and on another occasion successfully bluffed The Grandmaster.

 

[Nerys Myk]

He was on another planet in Endgame -- and on top of a very high cliff he was ready to throw himself off of, so I'd say that constitutes being way above street level in a few different ways.

Unless you mean specifically in Hawkeye's solo adventures.

Well, he was once last Avenger standing against The Collector and on another occasion successfully bluffed the Grandmaster.

I'm talking about Hawkeye's normal status quo. As exemplified by his solo outings in comics and the MCU. MCU-wise that would be the Hawkeye series. his stint as Ronin and his sharpshooter position in SHIELD. Similarly Black Widow isn't "cosmic" because she died on another planet.

Yeah it's cool when a "regular joe" hero is the last man standing against some God-level threat and wins, Batman, Cap and others have been in that spot. But it can get old if it's done too often.

 

[Jayson1]

I don't get why Spider-Man is considered a "Streets only" level Superhero but guys like Captain America and Hawkeye aren't.

Heck, I kept running into the "A guy like Sam can't fight the Red Hulk!" while Batman fights Darkseid without complaint

I think part of is that is Spider-Man is also just a kid and also he doesn't work for the government. Cap and Hawkeye work or have worked for everything from SHIELD to the US ARMY.

 

[theenglish]

I don't get why Spider-Man is considered a "Streets only" level Superhero but guys like Captain America and Hawkeye aren't.

Heck, I kept running into the "A guy like Sam can't fight the Red Hulk!" while Batman fights Darkseid without complaint

Spidey is primarily a street-level heroes in that most of his stories are New York based, but he's also been an Avenger, fought the Hulk, and gone on cosmic Avengers. I don't think saying a street-level hero means only being a street level hero. Has Batman ever gone toe to toe with Darkseid? There's been times when Batman outwitted Darkseid because that's what Batman does against stronger opponents.