Then you’re subject to insurance issues. They couldn’t even get DeForest Kelley to come back for the 20 minutes or so he would have been in Generations. Giving Shatner a larger role at 93 or whatever age he’d be, would be extremely problematic.
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Then you’re subject to insurance issues. They couldn’t even get DeForest Kelley to come back for the 20 minutes or so he would have been in Generations. Giving Shatner a larger role at 93 or whatever age he’d be, would be extremely problematic.
But wasn't Dee Kelly suffering from stomach cancer at that time? (I admit I don't know if he had been diagnosed then.)
Let's not be age-ist. I think it could be a good thing to see Kirk at 90+ years of age. I enjoyed seeing Dr. McCoy at 130+ years of age in TNG. Of course Kirk wouldn't be doing things he could do at 35 or 65, but he would have more wisdom, and of course having more experience and experiences would be a benefit to anyone who cares to consult him.
I never understood this. There was no explanation as to why they had to retire.
So the TNG movies can happen.
Of course the crew didn't need to retire, they could just move on to other assignments.
Well from a behind the scenes stand point the cast had become very expensive, and the studio wanted TNG to continue once it ended their tv run.
Also it’s what people do. A part of getting old. Especially in a military type of service like starfleet. Have new crews waiting in the ranks. Perhaps they could have had a bit more focus on what some of the characters were going to do.
We know Spock goes into becoming a diplomat.
Sulu is still going to captain the excelsior.
Scotty just acquired a boat, but seems his plans didn’t get realised as ends up in the 24th century. Between flying his gifted shuttlecraft he invents transwarp beaming, making starships useless lol.
It’s not clear what Uhura was going to retire. Same with Chekov.
And Kirk, it’s vague what he’s doing with his retirement apart from being a guest of honour for the launch of the enterprise-b or orbital skydiving in that deleted scene.
Not according to the streaming Nielson ratings charts.
It did quite well. better/higher than Picard S3 for example.
That's what I was thinking with regard to Mitchell's involvement.
But what was the role of Spock and Colt? According to the producers of "Unification" they had some sense of the future and Colt was instrumental in bringing revived Kirk to the Kelvin Timeline shorty before Star Trek Beyond.
Was Colt the messenger from Mitchell to Spock via the Memory wall? Spock then ensured that Kirk's body was taken and revived by Section 31?
Was Soong's golem technology used to give Kirk a new body?
He'd certainly be at home among the Excelsiors, Reliants and Constitutions.
Could always run a Restaurant.
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Seriously, what I would do is asap get a script written for the fourth Kelvin film and incorporate Kirk from "Unification" in it.
At the end of "Unification," the resurrected Kirk Prime was transported to the Kelvin timeline to be with Spock Prime when Spock died. That occurred, apparently, shortly before Star Trek Beyond.
I'd like to see one more Kelvin film to close out the series (at least). Use Shatner's Kirk Prime and use the CGI for the aging. Or, heck, maybe say that he is now aging faster, I don't know. Have Shatner/Kirk Prime meet Kelvin Kirk, Spock, and Bones. Have some story where Kirk-Prime sacrifices his life to save the Kelvin crew. What's more, I bet there's a way to do that story so that Shatner's is in just as much as Nimoy was in ST. 2009. Maybe have the movie about Kirk-Prime enlisting the Enterprise-A crew to save New Vulcan to do something for Spock memory.
At the end of "Unification," the resurrected Kirk Prime was transported to the Kelvin timeline to be with Spock Prime when Spock died. That occurred, apparently, shortly before Star Trek Beyond.
I'd like to see one more Kelvin film to close out the series (at least). Use Shatner's Kirk Prime and use the CGI for the aging. Or, heck, maybe say that he is now aging faster, I don't know. Have Shatner/Kirk Prime meet Kelvin Kirk, Spock, and Bones. Have some story where Kirk-Prime sacrifices his life to save the Kelvin crew. What's more, I bet there's a way to do that story so that Shatner's is in just as much as Nimoy was in ST. 2009. Maybe have the movie about Kirk-Prime enlisting the Enterprise-A crew to save New Vulcan to do something for Spock memory.
Maybe Kirk Prime could go back in time and prevent the destruction of Old Vulcan.
Really?Not according to the streaming Nielson ratings charts.
It did quite well. better/higher than Picard S3 for example.
It’s the first trek property I have no interest in.
Maybe. Don't know. But Kelley was 74 years old when Generations premiered. Shatner is now 93. Even if he isn't suffering from an incurable disease, he's still 93.
Nimoy was offered to direct Generations. Nimoy had problems with the script (including Kirk's death which he repeatedly said he would never have allowed, having made that same mistake himself in killing Spock) and said that, given he wasn't going to direct, he really couldn't be part of the film in a Spock appearance either and told Berman that the lines for Spock and Bones could've been given to other TOS alumni (which is ultimately what happened). With Nimoy out for the appearance, Kelley followed suit, so to my knowledge it didn't have anything to do with Kelley's age or health.
The ‘official’ reason was that Kelley felt he had said goodbye in the previous movie. The actual reason was that the studio couldn’t get insurance for him.
Yes I remember that now too actually, the insurance bit.
Also, the lines as written for the 23rd century part of Generations were meant for Kirk, Spock, and McCoy. When Nimoy and Kelley couldn't do the parts and they swapped them for Scotty and Chekov, the lines stayed almost entirely the same. That's why Scotty came up with the 'theory' that Spock would have more logically come up with, and why Chekov all of a sudden recruits nurses, which McCoy would have done.
Yistaan's right. This was related in Nimoy's book, I Am Spock, right Vistaan?
There was nothing there about the cancer that later caused Kelly's death.
Berman really blew it with Nimoy. As Nimoy says in the book (or an interview, I can't remember which), Berman gave him the script, Nimoy read it, and then had a meeting with Berman. Nimoy said he had big problems with the script, and that it needed a major rewrite. Berman said they were already in production and that couldn't happen, so Nimoy walked.
Later, Ronald Moore admitted that Nimoy was absolutely right about the Generations script that he and Brannon Braga had written. He said they had blown the story and that the death of Kirk, in particular, failed to have the resonance they wanted it to have. I don't put all the blame on them, however, as, apparently there were stipulated rules/conditions on how the TOS characters would be used in the script. I don't know if these rules were from the Paramount execs themselves or from Berman, but they were there. Basically, Spock and Bones could be used in the beginning, but after that, they were gone. Kirk could be in the beginning and the end. I think it was hard for Moore and Braga to fit a story to those conditions.
Nimoy wanted a more integrated role for the TOS cast that ultimately had them working alongside the TNG cast. Maybe have Kirk transported through time and meeting up with the aged McCoy and Spock?
I have no doubt that Generations would've been better if Berman had looped in Nimoy earlier. Nimoy said he had never done a project where he wasn't involved with the script right from the beginning and was angry at Berman for his treatment of him as a director.
It led to Paramount giving the cold shoulder to Nimoy until Abrama, Orci, and Kurtzmann came to see him to get him in ST 2009. That's why Ambassador Spock never showed up on DS9 or in the TNG films, even though Nimoy was open and, from my reading, really interested in guest starring again.
