And yet, they swore plenty of times before STIV
Thats not a hardcore swear word. They were able to use that on 1960s tv. Again sttvh explained it.
The F**k word in Star Trek
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Thats not a hardcore swear word. They were able to use that on 1960s tv. Again sttvh explained it.
They had to fight the censors to be able to use the word "hell" on TOS. According to Memory Alpha, they only said the word six times on the show.
Saying it's not a "hardcore" swear word is just goalpost shifting.
Yup.
Not goal post shifting at all. If i said hell vs the f word as a kid the F word would have gotten me in way more trouble. I know you guys love all kurtzman trek but lets admit it here it no longer seems like the future at times. Everything from the language to the clothes speak current times not the future. The future of trek now looks and sounds like any other sci fi property. Snw is the outlier right now.
Except they swear in TOS and the films. It's not out of place then so why now?
It is. If one swear is outdated they all are.
TOS uses colloquialisms from the 60s. TNG the 80s, etc.
The future aesthetic is not due to stiff language.
One other thing to note about the way The Voyage Home discusses this issue ... apparently this sort of language was remembered as being indicative of the "giants" of late 20th century literature, which are Jacqueline Susann and Harold Robbins.
For the jokes in STIV.
Vin Disel: Ha-ha.
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Yes there is swearing in older instalments of Star Trek. But it is very mild and not used in every day vocabulary. That's established in Star Trek.
And when the odd time the characters do swear it serves the scene.
The up most best use of any swearing in Star Trek imo is the death of David Marcus. You feel Kirk's pain when he calls Kruge a Klingon Bastard.
It's not like newer Trek is swearing more. There's like 3 instances. It's not "constant" not unprofessional nor lesser vision of the future.
The word has existed in the common language for humans for hundreds of years.
I agree on the best use and the worst use is Picard's use of "damn it".
The way people talk in Star Trek it just doesn't work for me. We've had many years without the need to include that level of swearing. Be it being tv censorship or codes & standards of the American tv of the time.
It comes across as childish writing. Not dramatic or edgy.
But that's my opinion.
Harsh swearing works fine in sci-fi films like Aliens, but not Star Trek.
I keep laughing to myself after starting this topic. Has anyone seen the I.T. crowd?
Keep thinking of this quote from the character Moss
"Will You Watch Your Ruddy Language My Ears Are Not A Toilet!"
It comes across as childish writing. Not dramatic or edgy.
But that's my opinion.
Harsh swearing works fine in sci-fi films like Aliens, but not Star Trek.
I keep laughing to myself after starting this topic. Has anyone seen the I.T. crowd?
Keep thinking of this quote from the character Moss
"Will You Watch Your Ruddy Language My Ears Are Not A Toilet!"
It was according to the standards of the time.
TNG didn't work for me either because it was very formal and stiff and didn't feel the warmth and familiarity of TOS.
Mileage will vary, but I don't treat Trek as special if it's supposed to be our future.
Star Trek has always used the language of the time it was filmed in.
Neither do I.
It's science fiction and not science prediction after all. lol
But I do hold Star Trek special as it's something I've grown up with, enjoyed with family and friends.
Bad? Definitely out of place, from my perspective.
Same here. The word is like sand paper, and the use of the word took me out of the scene.
Even the Transformers swore when they were in the theater. People swear. Real people, anyway. Anyway, this thread has just very, very humorous to me. Words only have the power that you give to them, and some of you people give them so much power over you.
The show I was referring to is The Expanse, which does take place in the future, where Earth is a united world, and the UN is basically a world government, making the Secretary General essentially the leader of Earth. And we see her swearing while dealing with other heads of state as well as using such colorful phrases as "everybody gets a pony and a blow job." Indeed at one point, this character was saying fuck at least eight times per episode.
Hell, some people claim The Expanse is one of the best sci-fi shows of recent years which Star Trek should try to be more like. Then Star Trek has its characters say Fuck just like the characters on The Expanse do and those same people start crying "that doesn't happen on Star Trek!"
This BBS and strawman arguments...
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