He's freaking Irish himself, I don't think he's being overly sensitive.
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I agree. I remember Colm Meaney being very upset when the original script for If Wishes were Horses included a leprechaun, which is considered a stereotype in Ireland, which is why it was changed to Rumpelstiltskin. Totally fair.
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I wonder if anyone has started a "Make Section 31 a Series" petition yet...
Yeah, Colm had a lot more 'power' on DS9 to make suggestions when it came to Irish depiction than he did on TNG because of his role.
His head must have exploded when he heard about VOY's "Fair Haven".
Was Alok supposed to be Ash Tyler? Because Alok's Eugenics Wars backstory came out of nowhere, doesn't fit with ANYTHING we know about surviving Augments (none of the Augments in Enterprise mention any group other than Khan's as in hibernation) and even if he was offscreen in Space Seed (Chekov says hi) and somehow didn't board the Reliant in Wrath of Khan but stayed on Ceti Alpha V for whatever reason, he should look a LOT older by the 24th century (Augments do age normally as even Khan seemingly aged between TOS and WoK).
Tyler being biologically Klingon would've explained his survival into the 24th century, his backstory of serving a cruel woman (L'Rell making him kill Culber and having Ash otherwise be a spy) etc. seems like it was hastily retrofitted into this Giri the Marked turning Alok into an Augment.
Anyone know if Shazad Latif was supposed to be in this and why he wasn't? Because it seems to me that Alok's character was Ash and then got rewritten when Shazad somehow wasn't available...
Tyler being biologically Klingon would've explained his survival into the 24th century, his backstory of serving a cruel woman (L'Rell making him kill Culber and having Ash otherwise be a spy) etc. seems like it was hastily retrofitted into this Giri the Marked turning Alok into an Augment.
Anyone know if Shazad Latif was supposed to be in this and why he wasn't? Because it seems to me that Alok's character was Ash and then got rewritten when Shazad somehow wasn't available...
Shazad Latif has claimed no one ever got in contact with him about appearing in Section 31. Not while it was being developed as a TV series, and not when they turned it into a movie. So at a guess, no, I don't think Alok was ever intended to be Ash Tyler.
Wrong.
It's because people are tired of Americans taking nationalities as a personality. If they are going to make him Irish - hire an Irish actor who can do the accent justice and not a guy doing an accent cause the audience finds it funny. I want you to imagine if they did a stereotypical Chinese or Indian accent that we have hopefully moved on from as a "joke" but the writers of S31 seemingly have not.
If Section 31 was always planned to be in 2324 than there wouldn't be a lot of room for Tyler. He could have been the new Control perhaps but not really a field agent. Arne Darvin seemed to just be comparible to an elderly human after being surgically altered and reaching 100+
Section 31 was never fully planned, they went full steam ahead to try piggy back off Yeoh winning an Oscar even though it was because of the quality of the film and script rather than her performance. Chasing trends to try make money, rather than having a creative and ideologically based idea.
I mean, this IS the same universe where Uhura is doing the same job for 40 years from the 2250s to 2290s so Tyler still being a field agent after 70 years wouldn't be that strange.
While I could see him still able to do some work in some capacity, 100 is the equivalent of 70 by this point, I would say the physical demands of being a field agent may rule out it being advisable to do it in the advanced years. Uhura wasn't exactly beaming down and running and gunning in the 2290s and even through her time as captain of the Leondegrance she was still doing a more "relaxed" job than an in the thick of it secret agent. That's why I said Tyler could have been Control.
Tyler's biologically a Klingon though and we saw Kor getting into the action in DS9 at circa 150, while Tyler/Voq would be circa 90 in S31.
You mean Captain Uhura wasn't beaming down on every away mission and getting her shirt ripped in fights?
Uhura: Guys why are you turning your heads away? My old captain did this all the time!
Leondegrance redshirt: Your old captain was also a lot younger when he did that grandma.
I mentioned in an earlier comment we saw Arne Darvin as a surgically altered Klingon of a similar age and he seemed without any of the benefits of Klingon physiology and seemed comparible to an old human man
Just to play devil's advocate, Darvin was an Augment Klingon, who were more human-like than pure Klingons. They might not age as well.
I still don't get what Tyler is, not in any definable sense. It's a conundrum.
I have ascertained that Ash Tyler was a real person and Voq was essentially placed within him.
Tyler remembers the sensation of Voq's fingers being painfully reduced in size, plus the CMO of Discovery mentioned his organs have tremendous scarring.
L'Rell kills the part of Tyler that is Voq with her crazy brain fingering.
I just....I dunno. I hope Arne Darvin had an easier time.
I have ascertained that Ash Tyler was a real person and Voq was essentially placed within him.
Tyler remembers the sensation of Voq's fingers being painfully reduced in size, plus the CMO of Discovery mentioned his organs have tremendous scarring.
L'Rell kills the part of Tyler that is Voq with her crazy brain fingering.
I just....I dunno. I hope Arne Darvin had an easier time.
I'm pretty sure Darvin was just given plastic surgery or something. I hope. I'd like to think Voq was a special case of an attempt to turn a genetically modified Klingon (an overcorrection to the Augment Virus that resulted in the DIS-Klingons) being made to look human by using a real person as a shell, and TOS-style Augment Klingons are close enough to human that they can just put on some makeup.
There were sniveling weasel Klingons then. Look at Koloth and Korax.
All you needed was a bad haircut and a cheap suit to pass as human.
I thought he was just extensively modified to look like a person that previously existed and had his memories altered too.I still don't get what Tyler is, not in any definable sense. It's a conundrum.
I have ascertained that Ash Tyler was a real person and Voq was essentially placed within him.
Tyler remembers the sensation of Voq's fingers being painfully reduced in size, plus the CMO of Discovery mentioned his organs have tremendous scarring.
L'Rell kills the part of Tyler that is Voq with her crazy brain fingering.
I just....I dunno. I hope Arne Darvin had an easier time.
I could be a little mistaken, Discovery season 1 does not typically get included in a rewatch
Has there been any indication as to exactly what that facility where the safe house was located was? I'm guessing it's some sort of mining facility maybe? Maybe It serves as a tap for some flammable resource, given the constant discharge of flame on the surface?
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