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I don't like this news about SNW season 3 from Screen Rant

Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down is the title that jumps to mind, but it's been 20 years since I watched the show so I might be mixing it up with another story.
 
The "Star Trek was always bad" argument is never really all that convincing when you're saying it on a board full of Star Trek fans.
I'm not sure people are saying Star Trek is always bad, just that's it's not always "serious."

One shouldn't assume that "serious" = "good," let alone that "not serious" = "bad."

Or even that "serious science fiction" is inherently superior to other kinds of SFF.
 
Absolutely. I'm a big fan of Red Dwarf, Legends of Tomorrow and Lower Decks, and Hitchhiker's Guide is my favourite science fiction novel, so I'll never intentionally make the claim that something has to be serious to be good...

Methink's perhaps you are taking Gene Roddenberry's attempt to make money and get pretty women into his bed/on his office couch, by producing a Sci-Fi TV show, waaay too seriously.
...but this isn't a statement praising the show's strengths as a comedy, it's just plain dismissing it as a show that's worth taking seriously.

And I do believe that once a franchise has established a mostly serious tone, the sillier episodes tend to be ranked among the worst, along with the stories built on absurd concepts that we're supposed to take seriously. Spock's Brain, Profit and Lace, Spirit Folk, A Night in Sickbay and so on.
 
And I do believe that once a franchise has established a mostly serious tone, the sillier episodes tend to be ranked among the worst, along with the stories built on absurd concepts that we're supposed to take seriously. Spock's Brain, Profit and Lace, Spirit Folk, A Night in Sickbay and so on.
Those episodes aren't considered amongst the worst because they're silly or absurd. It's because they are just awful episodes, and in the case of Profit and Lace, offensive towards the LGBTQ+ community.
 
I'm not sure people are saying Star Trek is always bad, just that's it's not always "serious."

One shouldn't assume that "serious" = "good," let alone that "not serious" = "bad."

Or even that "serious science fiction" is inherently superior to other kinds of SFF.
Absolutely.

And Trek can be serious but not every episode needs to be taken seriously. Neither does the franchise.
 
Absolutely. I'm a big fan of Red Dwarf, Legends of Tomorrow and Lower Decks, and Hitchhiker's Guide is my favourite science fiction novel, so I'll never intentionally make the claim that something has to be serious to be good...


...but this isn't a statement praising the show's strengths as a comedy, it's just plain dismissing it as a show that's worth taking seriously.

And I do believe that once a franchise has established a mostly serious tone, the sillier episodes tend to be ranked among the worst, along with the stories built on absurd concepts that we're supposed to take seriously. Spock's Brain, Profit and Lace, Spirit Folk, A Night in Sickbay and so on.

Abolutely agree with you regarding LEGENDS OF TOMORROW. Possibly my favorite of the CW shows because it was so sublimely silly. And which got better the more demented it got.

Meanwhile, on the Trek front, not every silly episode worked, just like not every "serious" ep worked, but among my very favorite eps are "Little Green Men," "Trials and Tribble-ations," and "Bride of Chaotica."

And I thought "Subspace Rhapsody" was terrific.

(Says the guy who, admittedly, still has the soundtrack to XENA's and BUFFY's musical episodes.)
 
I love SNW’s goofy streak. The cast are great at comedy so it would be crazy not to embrace that.

The original series knew that their cast had the funny chops too, which is why some of the most memorable scenes are Shatner, Nimoy and Kelly playing off against each other, and why Tribbles is one of the most enduring episodes.

The biggest strength of SNW is the episodic structure and the variety that brings. You can have a silly episode like Subspace Rhapsody one week, and Hegemony the next. The cast are good enough to do them both.
 
It's porn and you have to pay for it, therefore making it "buying porn." What an odd hair to split.

Because it's a huge hair to split.

Someone that just wants porn is going to just go to pornhub and get it for free.

The experience they are paying for on of is a completely different animal with different expectations. And unfortunately it is how people have given their life savings over to strangers.
 
well - those are precisely my picks as well, to be honest. i only like early TNG, and ENT is the best of the berman era shows. completely agreed.

at the same time - i agree with the OP. SNW started out great, but really started losing me in season 2; by the end of it, i couldn't suspend disbelief anymore, and i can't find any possible reason the genetic tampering in the S03 trailer would have those results, considering vulcans are highly emotional beings using strict mental techniques and logic to keep themselves in check. humans turned into vulcans would be absolute ANIMALS. SNW is heading in the wrong direction after a very solid start.
NOPE.
 
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