That's so crazy I like it..... But who was controlling the AI? Oh go on think about it a bit more and give us your headcanon for who was running the AI behind the scenes...
What is your personal head canon?
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That's so crazy I like it..... But who was controlling the AI? Oh go on think about it a bit more and give us your headcanon for who was running the AI behind the scenes...
I always took the events of First Contact to be a predestination paradox. The events of First Contact were always meant to happen, and the Enterprise-E was always meant to go back in time, because without their intervention Cochrane's and Lily's mindset towards what they've created wouldn't have been right to develop a relationship with the Vulcans.
Cochrane is shown to be a drunk who doesn't really care much for warp drive beyond it possibly being valuable. Picard with Lilly, and Riker with Cochrane, bring them around to seeing warp drive can be so much more for humanity.
Since it's 7 months after it's airing, I think I'm ok posting about this ... But I thought the Discovery finale opened a can of worms with the Kovich/Daniels reveal, where if you wanted to make him a Section 31 time agent, it might make sense. If he's Daniels and a time agent, why wouldn't he try to alter the timeline to avert the Burn? Either the Burn can't be averted in any timeline, or it serves some sort of agenda Daniels/Kovich believes in.
Plus, does the fact he's going by another name in the 32nd century have any significance?
I could see a story where Daniels is Section 31 (e.g., Daniels states explicitly in Enterprise that he's not a Starfleet officer) and he's considered a "war criminal" after the time war. Elements within the Federation covered up his identity and altered him to protect him from being investigated and prosecuted. And Kovich/Daniels has concentrated enough power that he's powerful enough to direct Federation policy along a path that he believes is best.
i actually don't believe in predestination paradoxes, and think that there is always a first iteration before a loop starts, even if it is replaced and lost to time. However, even if that wasn't the case, I would argue FC can not be one - they were in the future, and saw the timeline change around them; they didn't go to the past, and and up in a situation that causes the reason for them to be there. I don't believe that it applies.
It solves things like first ship named Enterprise; the new NX gets the name because the new timeline knows the name/saw the Enterprise. It also leaves the Borg drones in the past for ENT to find, and gives a reason for ENT having the time war to begin with. It explains every single disconnect in continuity from original TOS/TNG to modern Trek. Then Daniel's and the Borg drone introduce more new technology, and now we have a new 23rd century.
The timewar happened instantly on a 4D scale during the events of First Contact. by the time they return to the future, most things have already been course corrected. This is what the Romulans on SNW are talking about, but they might not know it is all Section 31/Time Cops doing.
I think the Dept of Temporal Investigations morphs into or merges with Section 31 during the TCW.
It would be one of their own ships that survives the initial events of FC and fights the TCW, for Picard to have a home to return to.
Some group/race that came to power in the absence of the Federation would be one of many fronts of the timewar; they would be the heroes of their own stories, trying to keep their world alive.
I'm not convinced that Cochrane wouldn't have gotten around to trying it anyways in the original timeline.
all timecops are war criminals after time travel is outlawed, of course, but if he was also a section 31 agent, they could all be considered war criminals for the things they did/are doing to lead them to that point in rebuilding the timeline.
I have lots and lots, often involving reimaginations and retccons. Including:
1. Section 31 collected the wreckage of the hijacked science vessel and the intact Borg bodies that Archer blew out into space and the rest of the crashed Borg materials from the Earth crash site. As decades pass, efforts to reverse engineer the Borg tech leads to 23rd century anachronistic breakthroughs. The Red Angel timesuit, 24th century level warp speeds, Scottys interstellar beaming, the Disco's jump drive system, etc. No way the NX-01 just leaves that tech and bodies floating around for anyone to find.
2. Original Mission of Captain Georgiou was the destruction of the Klingon homeworld. What was later a plot with the Alt Universe Empress, was instead the whole mission from the beginning. Michael discovers that Georgiou has been working with Section 31 throughout her career, and is responsible for many morally questionable actions. But none so violative of everything Michael thinks Starfleet stands for than a genocidal extermination of the Klingons. This shatters her image of Georgiou and that is why she attempts a mutiny and to sabotage the plan, including by warning the Klingons. The mission fails, but Michael is sent to prison for mutiny. She thinks ending that genocide plot is worth it.
1. Section 31 collected the wreckage of the hijacked science vessel and the intact Borg bodies that Archer blew out into space and the rest of the crashed Borg materials from the Earth crash site. As decades pass, efforts to reverse engineer the Borg tech leads to 23rd century anachronistic breakthroughs. The Red Angel timesuit, 24th century level warp speeds, Scottys interstellar beaming, the Disco's jump drive system, etc. No way the NX-01 just leaves that tech and bodies floating around for anyone to find.
2. Original Mission of Captain Georgiou was the destruction of the Klingon homeworld. What was later a plot with the Alt Universe Empress, was instead the whole mission from the beginning. Michael discovers that Georgiou has been working with Section 31 throughout her career, and is responsible for many morally questionable actions. But none so violative of everything Michael thinks Starfleet stands for than a genocidal extermination of the Klingons. This shatters her image of Georgiou and that is why she attempts a mutiny and to sabotage the plan, including by warning the Klingons. The mission fails, but Michael is sent to prison for mutiny. She thinks ending that genocide plot is worth it.
Every ruling “generic superman” in the Eugenics Wars — regardless of which decade these took place in — was the result of a different line of experimentation, with a different program of specific DNA modification. That was at least one of the motivations behind the fighting (beyond, of course, power). It also means that just because Khan had certain abilities and his blood had certain properties, it doesn’t mean that all Augments had those same abilities/properties. (Likewise, other strains may have had qualities we haven’t seen.)
The anomaly between the Prime and Mirror universes were based in different time zones in each universe. That's why San was still the same age as Philippa. We've seen time discrepancies in travel between Prime and Mirror before. Prime Defiant traveled backwards in time to Mirror Universe, and Discovery traveled nine months forward in time on returning from the Mirror Universe.
Also, Carl deliberately sent Philippa to the time period that he did so that she could stop San's plan to conquer the prime universe.
Also, Carl deliberately sent Philippa to the time period that he did so that she could stop San's plan to conquer the prime universe.
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The Enterprise D gaining some kind of sentience in "Emergence" then that sentience departs the ship and flies away never to be seen again.
My personal headcanon is that the ship did that on purpose because Starfleet fearful as ever of AI's after a lot of previous incidents (Control, M5 etc) buried a suicide switch deep in its core which would go off if such events happened again if the ship did certain things so that's why whatever was developing was put into this other separate thing and flies off, to prevent the computer from literally blowing up.
My personal headcanon is that the ship did that on purpose because Starfleet fearful as ever of AI's after a lot of previous incidents (Control, M5 etc) buried a suicide switch deep in its core which would go off if such events happened again if the ship did certain things so that's why whatever was developing was put into this other separate thing and flies off, to prevent the computer from literally blowing up.
My personal head canon? Garak recommended Bashir to Sloan.
That's actually not that fanciful imho
Is he a regular scout for them, or was this a one-off?
Yeah, that's definitely in Garak's wheelhouse.
Exactly.
I felt like saying it was a one-off because how many people would Garak get to meet in exile, but then I corrected myself mid-thought and began to wonder, "Who wouldn't he meet?" So I think it's entirely possible he was a regular scout.
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A popular port of call like DS9 with its attendant history and convenient location is actually the perfect hub for such organizations to scout and recruit. Now I'm imagining him having a friendly (sort of) rivalry with other clandestine organizations for whose recruiters can bag the most or choicest assets.
The one thing I find interesting, moving along the timeline, we know that Cardassians, Klingons, even Romulans will eventually join the UFP once we move past the 24th century.
I can imagine the remenants of the Tal Shiar, Obsidian Order get funneled into Section 31.
The one thing I always found odd with Section 31 was the lack of Alien members.
It was always a "Humans Only Club".
That would make it very vulnerable in terms of spy work, not having alien members who could blend in.
My head canon is that after Star Trek: Picard season 3 Section 31 just... goes away. Everyone involved realises that they made a terrible mistake, they write a heartfelt letter of apology to their victims, and then they go off to grow grapes or smoke weed in front of Vasquez Rocks, or whatever people do when they retire in this universe.
And the Federation does JUST FINE WITHOUT THEM.
And the Federation does JUST FINE WITHOUT THEM.
Humans are a versatile template upon which whatever humanoid species you require can be overlaid. Shapeshifters would be even handier, able to switch IDs at a moment's notice if they're familiar with the person/species they're mimicking.
That's why I was happy with the S31 Movie (Alien : Human) character ratio.
We honestly need more Aliens inside.
As for the content of the movie, that's a different story.
But the fundamental team structure was pretty good.
We do? They do?
Well, some Romulans do, since they do return to Vulcan, change it's name to Ni'Var, and that planet eventually rejoins the Federation.
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