It might not have saved the movie, but could the story be improved if Lorca had been the villain, instead of a character from Phillipa's past we hadn't seen before ?
Should the villain have been Lorca?
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We actually did see San in Discovery when Georgiou was having flashbacks to her Terran Empire past in "Scavengers" and "The Sanctuary" and Georgiou name dropped San to Burnham before going through the Guardian portal in "Terra Firma" pt.2. It was all set up for this story, which was originally supposed to be told in 10 parts.
Would it have been better had it been Lorca? Nah, his story is done and a return would have seemed contrived.
Although they couldn't be bothered trying to make it consistent with those flashes, with San wearing a Spidey/Black Panther looking helmet, Terran armor/uniform, and blood all over him and Phillipa's hands.
Not that I care that much of course, but still.
It wouldn't matter, as they wouldn't be able to get Jason Isaacs since he has stated he's not coming back to Star Trek unless he'll be playing Prime Lorca. And indeed, he already refused to return for Disco's Terra Firma story because he'd be playing Mirror Lorca there, which is why we see one of Lorca's lackeys get captured instead.
Wishing unemployment on people who have done nothing more than make something you dislike, class move.
Posse usually means more than one person...
Wishing a depriving of livelihood on anyone over entertainment is crazy to me.
It's entertainment.
It's entertainment.
If everything else was largely the same, only with Lorca as the villain, it would have been a worse movie.
I mean, of course Jason Isaacs would have chewed the scenery here. However, the crucial issue with this is it would have made the movie much more fanwanky. People would need to have done the "homework" of watching Discovery to understand the motivation, rather than be able to "enjoy" the movie as a standalone. Hence it wouldn't be able to work as a Trek introduction, as Paramount wanted.
I mean, of course Jason Isaacs would have chewed the scenery here. However, the crucial issue with this is it would have made the movie much more fanwanky. People would need to have done the "homework" of watching Discovery to understand the motivation, rather than be able to "enjoy" the movie as a standalone. Hence it wouldn't be able to work as a Trek introduction, as Paramount wanted.
Lorca as the villain would not have fixed everything that was wrong with this movie.
I think Prime Lorca should be the villain or antagonist of a Strange New Worlds episode. And also they do a version of Beyond, but that's neither here nor there.
I’ve forgotten many of the details from Discovery’s first season, but wasn’t Lorca from the Prime Universe the good guy? Why would he be a villain or antagonist on Strange New Worlds?
Why? He wasn't villainous before.
Because I like the idea of him having changed because of this experience in the interim between when he swapped with his double, and that he has his own agenda that would conflict and put him on a collision course with Pike. If Mirror Lorca is a bad guy that occasionally does good things, I would have Prime Lorca be a good guy who occasionally does bad things.
I suppose that's one viewpoint. I'll acknowledge that. I just don't feel Lorca needs to fill that role.
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