DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

[Christopher]

Last month Gunn said they were doing a day and a half of pickup shots. Which I assume is a different that reshoots.

No, pickup shots can include either reshoots or new material, anything that's deemed necessary to refine or improve the film after principal photography ends.

What Are Pick Up Shots in Film — Definition & How They Work

Pick up shots are filmed after principal photography has ended. Pick up shots are shot for a variety of reasons both logistical and creative.

www.studiobinder.com

And yes, it is absolutely normal. The first draft of any work is usually a mess. Revising and polishing it is not a danger sign, it's a healthy and necessary part of the process.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Trailer views aside I hope the new movie is good, but if it flops harder than MoS did everything else is gonna end. Gunn said it himself.

 

[Christopher]

Trailer views aside I hope the new movie is good, but if it flops harder than MoS did everything else is gonna end. Gunn said it himself.

Huh? Man of Steel may have gotten mixed reviews, but according to Wikipedia it was the 2nd-highest-grossing Superman film of all time correcting for inflation, the 2nd-highest-grossing reboot of all time, the 9th most profitable 2013 film, and had the 3rd-biggest opening weekend for 2013, although it had a big dropoff after that. I wouldn't call it a "flop" just because it wasn't as big as it could've been. I mean, it was obviously successful enough to launch a decade-long, 15-movie franchise.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Huh? Man of Steel may have gotten mixed reviews, but according to Wikipedia it was the 2nd-highest-grossing Superman film of all time correcting for inflation, the 2nd-highest-grossing reboot of all time, the 9th most profitable 2013 film, and had the 3rd-biggest opening weekend for 2013, although it had a big dropoff after that. I wouldn't call it a "flop" just because it wasn't as big as it could've been. I mean, it was obviously successful enough to launch a decade-long, 15-movie franchise.

I love MoS, but reality is If it was that much of a success we'd have three or four solo movies with Cavill right now.
Think about it: Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, fucking hell Harley freakin Quinn got solo movies with sequels, but Cavill or Affleck didn't.
WB mismanaged the entire universe very, very badly.

 

[Mudd]

Pick-ups are not the same thing as reshoots. They may include reshoots.

A day and a half of shooting is...almost nothing. At best it's someone's optimistic assessment of how long getting a few shots will take.

it was the 2nd-highest-grossing Superman film of all time correcting for inflation, the 2nd-highest-grossing reboot of all time, the 9th most profitable 2013 film, and had the 3rd-biggest opening weekend for 2013, although it had a big dropoff after that.

No one awards points for where a movie ranks in a narrowly qualified list ("second-highest grossing reboot? Is that even a thing?), if it doesn't deliver on studio expectations sufficiently for them to feel that risking money on follow-on films is justified.

Snyder got to direct one-and-one-half further DC films, because TPTB saw where the whole project was headed and elected to stop throwing good money after bad.

 

[nightwind1]

I'll do you one better. Who do Superman and Flag have purple hair?

I'll do you one better. Where do Superman and Flag have purple hair?

 

[nightwind1]

Media is devolving right before our eyes.
We used to have standards when making movies, those aren't applicable anymore.
Guy Gardner, HawkGirl, Mr. Terrific all look like cosplayers than actual superheroes.
And this Superman suit is the ugliest iteration yet on any media.

NOPE, you're wrong.

But thanks for playing.

 

[nightwind1]

It's not Cavill as Superman just yet...

Thank Rao!

 

[nightwind1]

Adding to the lengthy list, Williams is also musically homaged in the excellent Krypton TV series.

For detractors of quoting Williams, this would seem to be a battle that has been long since lost.

Their never-ending battle...

 

[Christopher]

I love MoS, but reality is If it was that much of a success we'd have three or four solo movies with Cavill right now.
Think about it: Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, fucking hell Harley freakin Quinn got solo movies with sequels, but Cavill or Affleck didn't.
WB mismanaged the entire universe very, very badly.

But "the movie flopped" and "the studio mismanaged the franchise" seem like contradictory arguments for why there were no subsequent Superman solo movies. Failing to follow up on a hit would be mismanagement. Choosing not to follow up on a flop seems like a sensible decision. So I don't think you can have it both ways.

Personally I think their biggest mistake was hiring Zack Snyder in the first place, but the numbers tell a story that the film, despite its mixed reception, was successful enough to launch a franchise. That is incompatible with the usual definition of the word "flop."

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Aren't you Cap 4's biggest booster?

Irrelevant in order to acknowledge the negative perception of the film by others responding to the test screenings and subsequent re-shoots.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

Pick-ups are not the same thing as reshoots. They may include reshoots.

A day and a half of shooting is...almost nothing. At best it's someone's optimistic assessment of how long getting a few shots will take.


No one awards points for where a movie ranks in a narrowly qualified list ("second-highest grossing reboot? Is that even a thing?), if it doesn't deliver on studio expectations sufficiently for them to feel that risking money on follow-on films is justified.

Snyder got to direct one-and-one-half further DC films, because TPTB saw where the whole project was headed and elected to stop throwing good money after bad.

If they'd elected to stop throwing good money after bad, they'd've fired Snyder immediately after MoS, or at the very least before JL started filming.

Truth is the studio had no focus and couldn't decide what they really wanted beyond piles of money. And that wishy-washy reactionary attitude is directly traceable to their blatantly unrealistic feeling that MoS didn't succeed. It was a successful film by any objective standard, it just was not the universally beloved mega-hit they thought it should be.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Irrelevant in order to acknowledge the negative perception of the film by others responding to the test screenings and subsequent re-shoots.

Relevant to the fact that your biases inform how and what you present about both films.

Me, I’m looking forward to both.

I was introduced to Sam Wilson on “the ground floor “. One of my first comics was the issue of Captain America where Steve and Sam meet for the first time. I was majorly disappointed when The Falcon was dropped from the masthead and the comic.
In more recent years, the Sam Wilson led Cap comic has been the better of the two CA books.

As for Superman, I was a casual fan of the comics until Byrne’s revamp in the Eighties. But I did like Reeve films. Not too keen on the Super family approach of the comics in recent years. Too many characters tripping over each other’s capes. OTOH, I love Superman and Lois. Go figure.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Snyder got to direct one-and-one-half further DC films, because TPTB saw where the whole project was headed and elected to stop throwing good money after bad.

Historically incorrect.

Relevant to the fact that your biases inform how and what you present about both films.

If a supporter of Cap4 can acknowledge the negative reactions to test screenings which triggered re-shoots, there is no bias, which is quite the opposite of Gunn Superman supporters who ignore the screening matter (important), which can be said to be bias at work.

Me, I’m looking forward to both.

I will see both and hope it works out.

I was majorly disappointed when The Falcon was dropped from the masthead and the comic.

Same here.

Not too keen on the Super family approach of the comics in recent years. Too many characters tripping over each other’s capes. OTOH, I love Superman and Lois. Go figure.

The family stories always struggled to work in the comics in one way or another, but Superman and Lois managed to ground the series as more of a family drama with fantasy elements, so it played in ways more relatable (the non-super-powered side) than any of the comics.

 

[Mage]

I love MoS, but reality is If it was that much of a success we'd have three or four solo movies with Cavill right now.
Think about it: Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, fucking hell Harley freakin Quinn got solo movies with sequels, but Cavill or Affleck didn't.
WB mismanaged the entire universe very, very badly.

It was a success, but (as you said) it was mismanaged. Instead of making a true sequel, WB dove straight into Justice League, with BvS mostly serving as a build-up to that. Now, I love BvS, the longer version. But because WB wanted to build on the success of The Avengers, they missed several steps. Including making us care more deeply about the characters, meaning we needed more solo movies BEFORE the team movie.

 

[Starscream2112]

Trailer views aside I hope the new movie is good, but if it flops harder than MoS did everything else is gonna end. Gunn said it himself.

I guess SuperGirl will still happen since it would have finished shooting by then.

 

[Set Harth]

Trailer views aside I hope the new movie is good, but if it flops harder than MoS did everything else is gonna end.

You mean nuclear war? Seems a tad extreme.

 

[dahj]

I haven't posted in a DC movies related thread in years and literally nothing has changed.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I haven't posted in a DC movies related thread in years and literally nothing has changed.

The names change but everything remains the same. Just like a Star Trek discussion.

 

[dahj]

The names change but everything remains the same. Just like a Star Trek discussion.

Would Superman split Tuvix?