Oh there is no doubt of that. But "Hegemony" moves them more into Predator territory.
Your opinion on SNWs Gorn
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I see your point but it doesn't bother me. All of it bothered St. Harlan. Some of it bothers you. None of it bothers me.
I get what that feels like. When someone says "Hey, Arena doesn't mean that nobody had ever seen a Gorn" it makes my blood boil.
Whoa. A Roddenberry fan! (He spelled "xeno-psychologist" as "zeno-psychologist".)
He actually gives a list of what he stole.
He was making a joke.
That’s fine, because I’m not trying to change anyone’s opinion about it. SNW ripping off Alien is my opinion only (admittedly backed up by blatantly similar
Is their reproduction really that Xenomorph like? There's no eggs. There's no facehuggers. We've not seen people being cocooned. That they reproduce through infecting their victims is hardly a rarely used trope in science fiction.
Yes, the episode All Those Who Wander was definitely an homage to Alien, right down to the derelict spacecraft on an alien planet imagery. And yes, the scene of the Gorn being born was absolutely meant to ape the chest bursting scene from Alien. But beyond that? I don't find them that similar to a Xenomorph.
This is especially true after Hegemony showed us an adult Gorn in a spaceship trying to crack the Cayuga's computer.
Yes, the episode All Those Who Wander was definitely an homage to Alien, right down to the derelict spacecraft on an alien planet imagery. And yes, the scene of the Gorn being born was absolutely meant to ape the chest bursting scene from Alien. But beyond that? I don't find them that similar to a Xenomorph.
This is especially true after Hegemony showed us an adult Gorn in a spaceship trying to crack the Cayuga's computer.
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Yeah and at the same time being honest about his influences and inspirations.
but come on, this statement is pretty absurd
Why does matter where the source of the rip off comes from?
No, there was no difference. Just that people make the observation around it and feel the need to complain over it.He actually gives a list of what he stole.
They're definitely better than the Xenomorphs.
I don't despite them with every fiber of my being.
While admittedly the franchise is past its glory days, might I ask why you don't care for Xenomorphs?
I personally view the first two films as some of the best and most influential science fiction films of all time.
The gorn lay their eggs in humans and the little gorn brats burst out of them. The delivery system might he different but its the same concept. Just like abrams was in love with star wars and attempted to make his kelvin verse star trek more like star wars the guy who redesigned the gorn is obviously a huge fan of the alien movies. Its like these 70s and 80s sci fi fanboys think star trek needss to be updated to what they believe.is better sci fi. The 70s and 80s had very sucessful star trek movies. So.its ridiculous that these current star trek creators think they need to update star trek to fit their version of beterr sci fi. I woulld love to see a new star trek creator that was actually a fan of star trek movies or tv shows. Matalas was the closest we got bu hes gone now.
The films are highly influential.
They are very popular.
They give me the creeps, and I saw them at 8, and it freaked me out then, and then a friend was obsessed with them and that just annoyed me to the point of despising them. The films have great qualities that I will admire from afar.
Fair enough.
Goldsman and Meyers are big fans. Goldmans especially. TOS was his "comfort" in a rough childhood.
Star Trek has always been influenced by what's going on around it and before it. From Forbidden Planet and the pulps to Westerns to Shakespeare to 2001 to Star Wars and so on. Star Trek does not exist in a vacuum.
Doing an Aliens inspired arc is no different than doing an "Enemy Mine" episode or a "Seven Samurai" episodes
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Because the person I was replying to was trying to compare a WWII submarine film with Balance of Terror, as if that was the same thing as what SNW did with the Gorn. I was responding that it’s not the same thing at all, because they’re just ripping off the xenomorph alien and making a new xenomorph alien with the exact same characteristics.
I stand by what I wrote: being influenced by something and ripping something off are two different things.
It does.
Products of their time. Audiences are very different nowadays.
They're right.
Good riddance.
And substituting a cloaked ship for a submarine is different? @HoHoHoRod pointed out where the Gorn diverge.
Yes. And if you haven’t gotten the point by now, you’re not going to get it. You see influence where I see ripping off. Fair enough.
The only difference is that we are far more familiar with Alien then perhaps Enemy Mine or any Western influences.
Aren't aliens abmnd star wars products of their times? They were made in the 70s and 80s. After all they are the old properties these new star trek creators are copying off of.
They were apparent to me when I saw "Darmok" and " Marauders"
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