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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)

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Jaydolph a Red Nosed Ape said:
I don't think Spider-Man should be the leader of the Avengers. I think that actually should be Rhodes who also should be in the movie. But Spider-Man should be the main protagonist. IMO the the heart of the movie should be him dealing with this Stark Variant. I think a good portion of the movie should be about people thinking Doom is a good Stark who has come to help stop the bad guy, Rogers or Bucky as Captain Hydra. Only we the audience will know better and we will see Stark/Doom working on some master plan in the background. Which will be the main focus of the next Avengers movie. Maybe the movie ends with Stark/Doom taking over the world and him becoming a dictator.
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This is all based on you insisting that Doom is a Stark Variant. We don't know. He's been cast as Doom, so let's just call him that. If it turns out he IS indeed a Stark Variant, I'll be first in line to say 'well speculated'. But it's still not a fact, simply a guess.
 
Mage said:
This is all based on you insisting that Doom is a Stark Variant. We don't know. He's been cast as Doom, so let's just call him that. If it turns out he IS indeed a Stark Variant, I'll be first in line to say 'well speculated'. But it's still not a fact, simply a guess.
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I'm not sure exactly if he is a Stark variant but I do think he will have some connection to Stark, thus explaining why he looks like Stark. I actually think I prefer the idea of him possessing a Stark's body. Perhaps because we know his old body is filled with scars. This would be the excuse to allow us to see him not always wearing the helmet.
 
JD said:
The list was only for stuff that's on Disney+, and No Way Home isn't on there yet. Not sure why they didn't include Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. since it is on there. Unless it has been officially decanonized, but I don't remember hearing anything about that happening.
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Like the Netflix series, it is de-canonized until it's not. After having spent some time looking at the chronology, which includes the Agent Carter one-shot, previously available only on one of the DVDs, but not the Agent Carter series, I'm thinking that this revised timeline is specifically created for Doomsday and Secret Wars. When the MCU wants to bring back elements from AoS then that will be included as well.
 
StarTrek1701 said:
I am just saying, all the classic characters are gonna return cuz the 'new' ones aren't making bank.
They tried very hard lol.
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But now you're just making stuff up. You sound like FOX and Friends. "Will Chris Hemsworth now be returning to The Avengers? The answer next....on Fox." Duh. Yes, of course he's returning. It was announced in the end credits of his f**king solo movie. Stop stirring s**t just to fit your f**king agenda.

The big news would be that he's not. So stop trolling.
 
I was thinking - to make the threat real they might need some cannon fodder.

So we might actually see the young avengers as we need some people to die to set up the rationale for the A-Listers to return.
 
JoeZhang said:
I was thinking - to make the threat real they might need some cannon fodder.

So we might actually see the young avengers as we need some people to die to set up the rationale for the A-Listers to return.
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Ugh, that's a horrible thought. How awful to cultivate this new generation of leads only to fridge them in service to the old generation. It would also be making the same mistake the Star Trek movie franchise did, clinging to the original aging actors and the old status quo instead of letting the series evolve forward.
 
Jaydolph a Red Nosed Ape said:
I don't think Spider-Man should be the leader of the Avengers. I think that actually should be Rhodes who also should be in the movie.
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It should not be Rhodes, either. I notice some toss out candidates for Avengers leader in the era of Wilson as Captain America, yet had no problems accepting a recently resuscitated Steve Rogers being picked to be the Avengers' leader during that phase. If anything, Wilson has more modern-day experience (at the point of stepping into a leadership position) as a superhero (blended with his work in the military ), as he's of this era and did not have to play catch-up like Rogers, yet here we go with just about anyone offered up as the new Avengers leader other than Wilson's Captain America.


But Spider-Man should be the main protagonist. IMO the the heart of the movie should be him dealing with this Stark Variant.
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Why? One of the weakest part of the MCU's version of Spider-Man was reducing him to some teen sidekick, running around yelling "Mister Stark!" with hardly any of the self-reliance (and none of the sense of sacrifice) of the original character from The Amazing Spider-Man comic book. No one needs to see yet another film with Spidey-Lad and his hero-worship issues about the dead Tony Stark or some variant.


Jaydolph a Red Nosed Ape said:
I'm not sure exactly if he is a Stark variant but I do think he will have some connection to Stark, thus explaining why he looks like Stark.
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What you're saying is just do write anything to drag Stark back into the MCU. Doom is not Stark, and for his 1st appearance in the MCU, he should be a distinct character, not some variant of a dead man.

Jaydolph a Red Nosed Ape said:
but I do think he will have some connection to Stark, thus explaining why he looks like Stark.
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Unnecessary, unless you believe moviegoers are so simple-minded that they need a forced connection to explain why the same actor portrays different characters in a series. As distinctive as the late Charles Gray was in appearance, no moviegoer needed 1971's James Bond film Diamonds Are Forever to justify why Gray's Blofeld resembled Gray's Dikko Henderson from 1967's Bond entry You Only Live Twice. The reason is that audience of that period were mature enough to accept actors appearing more than once in a series as different characters having no connection. It was not a problem in the Bond example, and it will not be a problem with RDJ's Dr. Doom.
 
Rich Watson said:
So it's Steve from after he want back to the 1940s rather than de-aging the old version.
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We don't know that. It seems to me given the storyline that he's probably going to be a variant.
Turtletrekker said:
Agents of SHIELD is multiverse canon, but not 616 canon. I call it Earth 617, and that's also where I put Agent Carter, Inhumans, Runaways and Cloak and Dagger.
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Oh, OK that makes sense.
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Disney/Marvel should not care about those who cannot let go of a character who died in Endgame. Doom has his own rich, long history in Marvel, and adapting that should be the focus, or it cheapens all that Doom originally represented.
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The fact that they keep emphasizing that he's Doom makes me think that he'll be Doom, and just happen to look Tony. So he'll have all of Doom's backstory and personality, but just look like Tony. He'll still be a variant since he has Tony's face, but he won't just be an exact duplicate of Tony.
TREK_GOD_1 said:
If you're saying Spider-Man is the lead--as in the leader of the Avengers instead of an experienced soldier / tactician like Wilson as Captain America, that would open up the well-deserved floodgates of criticism against Disney/Marvel, as such a decision would make no sense in-universe, and clearly sends a bad / offensive message to the moviegoing public who would see right through passing over Wilson's Cap, who--like Rogers before him--should be the natural leader of the Avengers.
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From what we've seen of Brave New World it looks like Ross is going to Wilson to build a new Avengers team, so if he's the one who puts the team together it makes sense he'd be the leader.
StarTrek1701 said:
We'll get confirmation of Hemsworth returning in the next month, mark my words.
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We already know he's coming back, so they won't need to make a big announcement.
Christopher said:
Ugh, that's a horrible thought. How awful to cultivate this new generation of leads only to fridge them in service to the old generation. It would also be making the same mistake the Star Trek movie franchise did, clinging to the original aging actors and the old status quo instead of letting the series evolve forward.
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If they were going to go that route, I'd rather see them kill the old characters, so the younger generation can step up into the spotlight.
 
JD said:
The fact that they keep emphasizing that he's Doom makes me think that he'll be Doom, and just happen to look Tony. So he'll have all of Doom's backstory and personality, but just look like Tony. He'll still be a variant since he has Tony's face, but he won't just be an exact duplicate of Tony.
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Except that if he's an authentically played Doom, we'll never see his face, and if we do, it'll probably be horribly scarred.

Also, this is what Downey looked like in Oppenheimer:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15398776/mediaviewer/rm1017469441/?ref_=ttmi_mi_all_36

It is disingenuous to assume that a character played by Downey must look like Tony Stark.
 
JD said:
He still looks like RDJ there me, just with a little old age makeup and less hair.
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But he doesn't look like Tony either. I barely recognized him as Downey. He's a brilliant enough actor that even if you do recognize his face, you'll have no trouble believing that he's a completely different person. I can only assume that you've never actually bothered to see a Downey movie that isn't Marvel, or you would already know this.
 
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