Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

[Jayson1]

It should not be Rhodes, either. I notice some toss out candidates for Avengers leader in the era of Wilson as Captain America, yet had no problems accepting a recently resuscitated Steve Rogers being picked to be the Avengers' leader during that phase. If anything, Wilson has more modern-day experience (at the point of stepping into a leadership position) as a superhero (blended with his work in the military ), as he's of this era and did not have to play catch-up like Rogers, yet here we go with just about anyone offered up as the new Avengers leader other than Wilson's Captain America.




Why? One of the weakest part of the MCU's version of Spider-Man was reducing him to some teen sidekick, running around yelling "Mister Stark!" with hardly any of the self-reliance (and none of the sense of sacrifice) of the original character from The Amazing Spider-Man comic book. No one needs to see yet another film with Spidey-Lad and his hero-worship issues about the dead Tony Stark or some variant.




What you're saying is just do write anything to drag Stark back into the MCU. Doom is not Stark, and for his 1st appearance in the MCU, he should be a distinct character, not some variant of a dead man.



Unnecessary, unless you believe moviegoers are so simple-minded that they need a forced connection to explain why the same actor portrays different characters in a series. As distinctive as the late Charles Gray was in appearance, no moviegoer needed 1971's James Bond film Diamonds Are Forever to justify why Gray's Blofeld resembled Gray's Dikko Henderson from 1967's Bond entry You Only Live Twice. The reason is that audience of that period were mature enough to accept actors appearing more than once in a series as different characters having no connection. It was not a problem in the Bond example, and it will not be a problem with RDJ's Dr. Doom.

I do think Rhodes as leader does have one issue and that is he was replaced for who knows how many years by a Skrill and I also think WIlson will earn lots of trust in the upcoming movie so I do think you might be correct in that he is best choice as team leader. I do wonder though were Nick Fury plays in all of this. I mean he is still around as well.


As for the debate of Thor coming back. Not sure it is a lock because of some of the conflicting statements said by the actor. But yep I think when push comes to shove he will also return . I do think they will address some the actors issues about how Thor becoming to comical and I guess try and go for a better balance. I also think Banner will come back as traditional Hulk and not Smart Hulk.

 

[JD]

I'm pretty sure Professor Hulk is here to stay.

But he doesn't look like Tony either. I barely recognized him as Downey. He's a brilliant enough actor that even if you do recognize his face, you'll have no trouble believing that he's a completely different person. I can only assume that you've never actually bothered to see a Downey movie that isn't Marvel, or you would already know this.

Yes, I have seen him in non-Marvel movies, and I know he's a great actor, and I'm sure his Doctor Doom is going to be a very different character than Iron Man was. But it still seems unlikely to me that they would cast the franchise's top actor and make a huge public announcement about his return, and not use his previous character in some way in this new role.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I am just saying, all the classic characters are gonna return cuz the 'new' ones aren't making bank.
They tried very hard lol.

I still don't think Hemsworth ever officially left and neither has Ruffalo. Downey, as of this writing, is playing Doom not Stark.

 

[Mage]

Remember how surprised both Waititi and Hemsworth were when the end of Thunder And Love said 'Thor will return'? Sure, it could mean either one of the Thor's. Thing is, Marvel sure isn't done with the character.

Holy fuck..... what if they do a Thor variant played by Liam Hemsworth??? He did audition for the part!

 

[Set Harth]

Why would they be surprised?

 

[theenglish]

I was thinking - to make the threat real they might need some cannon fodder.

So we might actually see the young avengers as we need some people to die to set up the rationale for the A-Listers to return.

I think I mentioned up thread that I think it is more the opposite, that the young guns are going to need to rescue the older Avengers and prove their worth.

 

[theenglish]

It should not be Rhodes, either. I notice some toss out candidates for Avengers leader in the era of Wilson as Captain America, yet had no problems accepting a recently resuscitated Steve Rogers being picked to be the Avengers' leader during that phase. If anything, Wilson has more modern-day experience (at the point of stepping into a leadership position) as a superhero (blended with his work in the military ), as he's of this era and did not have to play catch-up like Rogers, yet here we go with just about anyone offered up as the new Avengers leader other than Wilson's Captain America.

Why? One of the weakest part of the MCU's version of Spider-Man was reducing him to some teen sidekick, running around yelling "Mister Stark!" with hardly any of the self-reliance (and none of the sense of sacrifice) of the original character from The Amazing Spider-Man comic book. No one needs to see yet another film with Spidey-Lad and his hero-worship issues about the dead Tony Stark or some variant.

What you're saying is just do write anything to drag Stark back into the MCU. Doom is not Stark, and for his 1st appearance in the MCU, he should be a distinct character, not some variant of a dead man.

Unnecessary, unless you believe moviegoers are so simple-minded that they need a forced connection to explain why the same actor portrays different characters in a series. As distinctive as the late Charles Gray was in appearance, no moviegoer needed 1971's James Bond film Diamonds Are Forever to justify why Gray's Blofeld resembled Gray's Dikko Henderson from 1967's Bond entry You Only Live Twice. The reason is that audience of that period were mature enough to accept actors appearing more than once in a series as different characters having no connection. It was not a problem in the Bond example, and it will not be a problem with RDJ's Dr. Doom.

100%. You are spot on.

I don't think that's why they're bringing them back at all.

I always expected them to come back ever since they announced the name of the saga. It was pretty obvious to me.

Except that if he's an authentically played Doom, we'll never see his face, and if we do, it'll probably be horribly scarred.

Also, this is what Downey looked like in Oppenheimer:
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt15398776/mediaviewer/rm1017469441/?ref_=ttmi_mi_all_36

It is disingenuous to assume that a character played by Downey must look like Tony Stark.

I agree with all of this as well.

I do think Atwell and Evan’s will play their “What…if” characters for Doomsday

Captain Carter and Skinny Steve in Hydra Stomper

Now that would be cool to see in live action.

 

[JoeZhang]

I think I mentioned up thread that I think it is more the opposite, that the young guns are going to need to rescue the older Avengers and prove their worth.

Maybe - I just don't see the broad audience interest in that. This is likely to be a greatest hits sort of thing where the marketing is heavily "the actors and character you like return!"

Ms Marvel being in a bomb likely shut the door of anything significant being based around the young avengers.

 

[theenglish]

Maybe - I just don't see the broad audience interest in that. This is likely to be a greatest hits sort of thing where the marketing is heavily "the actors and character you like return!"

Ms Marvel being in a bomb likely shut the door of anything significant being based around the young avengers.

Ostrich---meet Sand. Also, meet the Hugo award from a decade ago.

 

[JoeZhang]

Also, meet the Hugo award from a decade ago.

I don't know what that is I'm afraid.

 

[theenglish]

I don't know what that is I'm afraid.

I figured as much.

 

[Mage]

Why would they be surprised?

No one told them that that tagline was at the end of the movie. And we're talking about one of the leads and the director.

 

[JoeZhang]

I figured as much.

Well googling it - it seems to be an American thing, I'm not an American and you don't even know my first language or where I'm from. I guess you just assumed I'm a white hetrosexual man.

So why don't you just tell how you figured it?

Given we are now making assumptions about posters and their motivations rather than discussing the content of their posts. Go for it.

 

[Christopher]

Ms Marvel being in a bomb likely shut the door of anything significant being based around the young avengers.

Not every MCU film has been a success. The Incredible Hulk underperformed, but they still brought the character back. Thor: The Dark World was panned, but they didn't cancel future Thor films. Marvel has made actually intelligent decisions rather than doing the usual stupid executive thing of abandoning anything that didn't meet their expectations. (Though I'm aware of the counterargument that Hulk and Thor had the insulation of having white male leads.)

Besides, I gather that The Marvels has done very well in streaming on Disney+. People invested in their "bomb" narratives, whether from misogyny or general cynicism, tend to ignore the fact that The Marvels was hurt by the inability of the studio to promote the film during the actors' strike, and it was actually the number one movie in its release week, because everything was hurt by the strike. The movie's theatrical underperformance had nothing to do with its quality or the appeal of its actors, and I hope that Marvel has the sense to recognize that.

 

[Mage]

Besides, I gather that The Marvels has done very well in streaming on Disney+. People invested in their "bomb" narratives, whether from misogyny or general cynicism, tend to ignore the fact that The Marvels was hurt by the inability of the studio to promote the film during the actors' strike, and it was actually the number one movie in its release week, because everything was hurt by the strike. The movie's theatrical underperformance had nothing to do with its quality or the appeal of its actors, and I hope that Marvel has the sense to recognize that.

Honestly, except for the few usual suspects, I've read a lot of positive comments on The Marvels here on this forum. I loved it as well. Sure, didn't see it in cinemas but I hardly go anymore. I thought it was fun, heartfelt, I loved all three main characters. Sure, the usual stuff that both plot and villan in MCU aren't always that stellar could be applied. But then again, with millennia worth of stories being told in this world alone, it's hard to come up with something that is 100% original. But for me, it's also about HOW the story is told, WHO is telling the story. You could literally take a play word for word without re-writing it, and two different director's with two different casts and two different creative teams behind it will give two completely different results. And it was the characters and creative way of telling the story that made The Marvels so much fun for me.

 

[Set Harth]

No one told them that that tagline was at the end of the movie. And we're talking about one of the leads and the director.

But why would they be surprised by the notion that the character was coming back for more movies?

 

[Mage]

But why would they be surprised by the notion that the character was coming back for more movies?

Wait, what? The guy literally playing the character was NOT informed before hand about this and you think it's weird he was surprised Marvel plans on bringing the character back? Natalie Portman apparently also didn't know.

It's like going to a job interview, not hearing anything and on the day the job start you get a call that says 'where are you, this is your first day on the job'.

Does that make more sense now?

 

[JoeZhang]

Is he even under contract at the moment?

Hemsworth is in the same weird place as Daniel Craig, where they have roles on Netflix that don't have the same cultural impact but pay vast bags of cash, far more than the roles they are known for.

How that plays in negotiations, I have no idea but it means he's not short of cash.

(Which raises another point - these surely have to be the most expensive films to be paid from a salary point of view before you get into the actual cost of the film).

 

[Set Harth]

Hemsworth is in the same weird place as Daniel Craig

With one pretty big difference.

 

[JoeZhang]

With one pretty big difference.

Only one of them is playing Sgt Rock (and is 30 years too old for it).