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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread
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Hence the bourbon.
And that's just his mom.
This post doesn't exactly convey the tone of asking good faith questions, but I'll give it a try.
Star Trek: Vanguard was a book series released between 2005 and 2012 that did a ton to establish TOS Federation / Klingon backstory and featured a pre-Enterprise Dr. M'Benga. That 2022 TOS novel was supposed to tie into said Vanguard series. DISCOVERY / SNW and the book series are effectively unreconcilable. So if the author of the book was required to to maintain continuity with DISCOVERY / SNW, it'd be highly revisionist towards the earlier Vanguard novels, a la all those Star Wars novels that had to redo the Thrawn backstory etc. So I felt like that was a more than reasonable question to ask. Unfortunately I was rather new to this BBS's house style / culture and opened myself up to bad faith sea lioning by some board denizens that derailed the thread from the original topic. Live and learn. There was a recent TOS novel that featured a 21st century Earth portion. Oh it doesn't follow the 21st century Star Trek Earth worldbuilding and instead tries to be "our" present day. Not interested, in and out in five minutes, will vote with my money which Star Trek projects to support and which ones not to. That said, thanks for the reminder about the book. I did end up buying it, but haven't gotten around to reading it yet.
Regarding Unification and tie ins with the Abramsverse and DISCOVERY... I feel the Abramsverse films are bad. But the ultimate fate of the Spock everyone followed from the 1960's onwards through the rest of legacy Trek is tied into them. Yor is just another character from the parallel universe Spock ended up in.
Many people have said they would have far less problems with DISCOVERY / SNW if they hadn't tried to "reinterpret" / reboot the TOS era. The OTOY shorts clearly treat TOS as something that happened, so the only way both TOS and DISCOVERY / SNW could happen would be DISCOVERY / SNW to be an offshoot parallel universe. Which has been argued since 2017.
It would all depend on how they handled it. If it was Burnham from an alt-future, why not?
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Search For Spock must've been hell for you. What with Saavik looking nothing like Kirstie Alley and all.
It says a lot when the best outcome of a recasting anyone can think of wasn't all that successful.
Or they simply look different because it’s been almost 60 years since the earlier aired.
Though it seems Curtis' Saavik has grown more popular over the decades.
I gotta be honest, Curtis has always been my Saavik (because I saw Search for Spock first).
Saavik not only worked but it was an improvement. 
Having seen the rough workprint of Wrath of Khan at UCLA, I can say that Alley's performance was saved by ADR. Her on-set recorded dialogue is bland and stilted, betraying her clear inexperience as an actor at the time.
While I used to prefer Alley's Saavik, time has taught me to grow to love Robin Curtis in the role over her better acting chops.
While I used to prefer Alley's Saavik, time has taught me to grow to love Robin Curtis in the role over her better acting chops.
I like Robin Curtis, don't get me wrong, but Saavik to me is Kristie Alley.
Of course, I'm also a pretty huge fan of The Wrath of Khan. It's cliche to say, "TWOK is the best!" but I'm actually someone really, truly means it. There's no comparison between TWOK and any other Star Trek movie, IMO. TVH and FC come close, but they're only runner-ups.
Robin Curtis plays a better Vulcan, but Kristie Alley plays a better half-Vulcan, half-Romulan which is what Saavik was originally intended to be. I like that Kristie Alley brought a little more personality to the role, even though I recognize that Robin Curtis played a better Vulcan. I enjoy Kristie Alley's performance more.
Sorry to go against the grain, but that's my take.
Of course, I'm also a pretty huge fan of The Wrath of Khan. It's cliche to say, "TWOK is the best!" but I'm actually someone really, truly means it. There's no comparison between TWOK and any other Star Trek movie, IMO. TVH and FC come close, but they're only runner-ups.
Robin Curtis plays a better Vulcan, but Kristie Alley plays a better half-Vulcan, half-Romulan which is what Saavik was originally intended to be. I like that Kristie Alley brought a little more personality to the role, even though I recognize that Robin Curtis played a better Vulcan. I enjoy Kristie Alley's performance more.
Sorry to go against the grain, but that's my take.
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You're missing my point intentionally. I liked one peformance better than other, but I still liked both. And I acknowledged that Curtis acted better as a Vulcan even though I preferred Alley's take.
Now distort this into something you know I didn't mean so you can keep this going.
Just talking Robin Curtis. I didn't even quote you, because other than Curtis my post had nothing to do with yours
I like Robin Curtis' Saavik, I like Kristie Alley's Saavik a little more. But I like both.
Getting back to Picard, I like all the Rios holograms on La Sirena. I thought they represented different sides of Rios' personality.
Getting back to Picard, I like all the Rios holograms on La Sirena. I thought they represented different sides of Rios' personality.
Rios was one of the best things about PIC as a series. When he stayed behind on 2024 Earth it was not a good thing.
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