What is your personal head canon?

[evilchumlee]

Mmm.. I see what you are saying, but do the numbers really support this?

First, what people are you considering Asian? The continent includes Russia, China, Mongolia, India, Vietnam, Korea, Laos, etc... That's a large swath of humanity.

All of that. Yeah.

The thing is, I think the death toll is much higher than the 600 million. That number was referring to causalities from WW3. The next... almost century of that region being a post-apocalyptic wasteland would have resulted in a huge number of deaths.

I do think some places fared better than others. Japan and Korea may have gotten through a bit better. I'm not saying like, the entirety of Asia got glassed and wiped off the map... just that it was hit significantly harder.

From "The Royale"

WORF: Commander.
DATA: Is this significant, sir?
(It's a spacesuit on a hangar)
RIKER: American.
DATA: Fifty two stars sir. Places it between 2033 and 2079 AD. It correlates with the debris we found. Colonel S. Richey. Rest in peace, Colonel.

There were 52 states in the United States of America in 2063

Yes... but... the United States would never have recognized the ECON as a nation, so if the ECON breaks off in say... 2040, the US isn't going to change it's flag because some of its states are in revolt against it nor it would stop consider those states as longer being a part of the United States.

It could even still track, as the ECON apparently still existed as of 2063. There seems to not have been open warfare in awhile, "After all these years?" but that doesn't mean it ceased to exist. It may have taken some time after first contact for the US to fully reunite and reabsorb the Eastern Coalition, which might make sense why the flag changed again in 2079.

This isn't an ironclad headcanon by any means, more of a general pondering. It PROBABLY makes more sense that the ECON was an Asian faction in the war, but I think being a part of the SACW could be interesting and could provide a tie-in for Colonel Green.

Part of what triggered the idea is Picard making sure to quickly make sure he identified that was he was not a member of the ECON. That line makes it feel like that's more a domestic enemy who you very well might encounter randomly, rather than a distant foreign enemy.

 

[FredH]

See, I would just want to know, in a conflict of this magnitude, why were (enough of) the U.S. and Western Europe apparently NOT glassed? Because I’d expect it to be pretty evenly spread around, among the participating powers.

 

[Nyotarules]

See, I would just want to know, in a conflict of this magnitude, why were (enough of) the U.S. and Western Europe apparently NOT glassed? Because I’d expect it to be pretty evenly spread around, among the participating powers

Because Trek reflects the cultural bias of the writers, whether they realise it or not. Makes sense, if the show was produced by an Australian production most of the survivors of WW3 would be Australasia and Pacifica.

 

[FredH]

Because Trek reflects the cultural bias of the writers, whether they realise it or not. Makes sense, if the show was produced by an Australian production most of the survivors of WW3 would be Australasia and Pacifica.

Sure. But we’ve not actually seen any sign that Asia (in particular) was glassed either.

I mean, presumably chunks of everyplace on Earth were; it was WW3. But we’ve seen none of the devastation zones. And nobody on Trek ever muses about “How sad that the Upper Slobovians no longer exist.” There’s zero onscreen reason to point at any particular chunk of humanity and say that the war wiped them out.

 

[Nyotarules]

Sure. But we’ve not actually seen any sign that Asia (in particular) was glassed either.

I mean, presumably chunks of everyplace on Earth were; it was WW3. But we’ve seen none of the devastation zones. And nobody on Trek ever muses about “How sad that the Upper Slobovians no longer exist.” There’s zero onscreen reason to point at any particular chunk of humanity and say that the war wiped them out.

I agree

 

[cooleddie74]

We know now thanks to the premiere episode of SNW that the upper third or half of the Eiffel Tower either had to be retrieved and restored or rebuilt from scratch since Paris suffered significant structural damage in the nuclear attack of 2053. So the Eiffel Tower we see in the 23rd, 24th and later centuries is mostly the original or may still be all-original beams if what was blasted off the top in WWIII could be recovered from the surrounding area and pieced back together.

 

[Shawnster]

was glassed either.

I mean, presumably chunks of everyplace on Earth were; it was WW3.

Except for 1 balloon bomb most people do not know about, there was never a single enemy attack on North America during WWII. And that was a World War.

Currently, at the time of this writing, nuclear devices have not been used in Ukraine. Same with Korea and Vietnam. This in spite of one of the belligerents being a nuclear capable nation.

Daily life in the United States showed no signs the US engaged in armed conflict during the war in Bosnia, 2 Gulf Wars, or Afghanistan during the war on terror. In fact, there has not been a military engagement, nor battle damage on the contiguous United States since 1865 (if one ignores the Indian Wars).

Of course, yes, none of these were world wars. One would think the US and North America would show major damage from a third world war. Of course, that assumes the US would be a player in said global conflict. Don't forget the US sat out most of WWII and did not enter WWII until directly attacked 2 years (at least) after the war began.

From the movie Red Dawn (original) most of Europe sat out of WWIII. It is at least conceivable a lot of countries could sit out of a global conflict. In both WWI and WWII South America pretty much played no factor. That's an entire continent. Same for most of Africa beyond locations of European colonial interests. Likewise large sections of interior Asia.

But, then again, those wars were fought without nukes.

600 million dead. Plus, as someone above corrected/reminded me, this might not include secondary or tertiary casualties.

 

[Roundabout]

^
During WW2, Japan attacked the Aleutian islands. It invaded the islands of Attu and Kiska.

This part of history probably isn't well known.

http://nps.gov/aleu/learn/historyculture/stories.htm

 

[Forbin]

Except for 1 balloon bomb most people do not know about, there was never a single enemy attack on North America during WWII. And that was a World War.

May Dad shot down two of those while he was stationed on Hawaii in 1945, preventing 2 more from (maybe) getting to the states. You're welcome.

 

[Forbin]

Head canon: we're talking about shuttlecraft size in another thread, and Kirk's saying they were 24 feet long. Now, when Polar Lights did their new model kit, Gary Kerr refigured the size to get a "best fit" of the interior set into the model, and came up with about 29 feet as a compromise. My head canon now says that Kirk was thinking about the interior main cabin space when he said 24 feet.

 

[Henoch]

My head canon: Due to filming production reasons, the interior of the Shuttlecraft was enlarged by 4/3, so ~29 feet reduced by that scale is 29 x 3/4 = 21.75 feet or about 22 feet! Hence, the Matt Jefferies original dimension. Then, the writers/editors enlarged the shuttlecraft to 24 feet, so, maybe all of TOS's ship dimensions need to be reconned by 24/22 = 1.09 or +9%.

 

[Nyotarules]

Except for 1 balloon bomb most people do not know about, there was never a single enemy attack on North America during WWII. And that was a World War.

Currently, at the time of this writing, nuclear devices have not been used in Ukraine. Same with Korea and Vietnam. This in spite of one of the belligerents being a nuclear capable nation.

Daily life in the United States showed no signs the US engaged in armed conflict during the war in Bosnia, 2 Gulf Wars, or Afghanistan during the war on terror. In fact, there has not been a military engagement, nor battle damage on the contiguous United States since 1865 (if one ignores the Indian Wars).

Of course, yes, none of these were world wars. One would think the US and North America would show major damage from a third world war. Of course, that assumes the US would be a player in said global conflict. Don't forget the US sat out most of WWII and did not enter WWII until directly attacked 2 years (at least) after the war began.

From the movie Red Dawn (original) most of Europe sat out of WWIII. It is at least conceivable a lot of countries could sit out of a global conflict. In both WWI and WWII South America pretty much played no factor. That's an entire continent. Same for most of Africa beyond locations of European colonial interests. Likewise large sections of interior Asia.

But, then again, those wars were fought without nukes.

600 million dead. Plus, as someone above corrected/reminded me, this might not include secondary or tertiary casualties.

In my head canon 600 million would be more like 6 billion, 2/3 of the WW3 population, that would be destabilising, sadly 600 million dead would not be.

 

[Farscape One]

In my head canon 600 million would be more like 6 billion, 2/3 of the WW3 population, that would be destabilising, sadly 600 million dead would not be.

This actually makes more sense than it seems at first glance.

By 2151, when the NX-01 launches, Tucker mentions Earth took care of a LOT of the main problems it was dealing with. As much as I want to believe a major event like first contact with aliens would help unite the human race, I just don't see it happening unless there are a LOT less people are around... even with help from the Vulcans. Quite a few of the problems that plague us center on there simply being too many of us on the planet. It's easier to deal with a lot of the problems when there are fewer people around. (Environment, for example. Fewer people around to use things that cause damage to the planet makes it easier for the world to recover. Or food supply... less people, more food to go around.)


As you mentioned, 600 million will hardly make a dent. 6 billion? That's a lot more than a dent.

 

[Nyotarules]

This actually makes more sense than it seems at first glance.

By 2151, when the NX-01 launches, Tucker mentions Earth took care of a LOT of the main problems it was dealing with. As much as I want to believe a major event like first contact with aliens would help unite the human race, I just don't see it happening unless there are a LOT less people are around... even with help from the Vulcans. Quite a few of the problems that plague us center on there simply being too many of us on the planet. It's easier to deal with a lot of the problems when there are fewer people around. (Environment, for example. Fewer people around to use things that cause damage to the planet makes it easier for the world to recover. Or food supply... less people, more food to go around.)


As you mentioned, 600 million will hardly make a dent. 6 billion? That's a lot more than a dent.

That's right plus the only way for humanity to be scared to death of a nuclear war and its results is to experience it and have billions of humans dead as a result. Whole families wiped out including and especially the 1% who own most of the resources. Imagine the chaos afterwards, if the USA went from 350 million to half that number due to a world war? Of if a nuclear war wiped out the leading figures of the British Royal family, it would be a constitutional crisis over here.

 

[FredH]

Hoshi Sato was an Augment, and aware of it. She never told anyone, no matter how close, and took her secret to the grave.

 

[FredH]

That deep middle section of the Antares type ship? Thats the main cargo hold, and the gravity there is angled 90 degrees to the rest of the ship — “down” there is toward the ship’s aft.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

See, that’s the thing. Why should we? Why is such a name taken as inherently funny?

I wasn't saying the name is inherently funny. I was saying that Woody Allen usually has Jewish protagonists in his movies.

 

[Forbin]

Hoshi Sato was an Augment, and aware of it. She never told anyone, no matter how close, and took her secret to the grave.

It would explain how she can start speaking an entire alien language after hear just a few sentences. Otherwise, that would be a ludicrous ability to write into a show.

 

[Oddish]

Trying to scientifically explain a universal translator is nuts anyway. That's why Douglas Adams used fish.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

In my 'Head Canon' Slang & Profanity is considered childish by most adults (regardless of species), so as people grow into adult-hood, most Slang/Profanity will get abandoned for "Standard Language Use".

It would generally be considered Low Brow to use Slang/Profanity as an adult.