Yeah. I rewatched the episode tonight. The sign outside Stryker's says, "State of Kansas Department of Corrections." I don't think there's any basis to argue the show's Metropolis isn't supposed to be in KS.
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Yes, I've already conceded that based on two or three people mentioning the drive time, so you can let that drop now.
It's not all about you. David cgc and others were involved in the discussion too.
My head canon is placing Metropolis along the Missouri river. Hob's Bay may not be an actual bay, but something man made as part of a riverfront development. On Earth S&L, Metropolis is where Kansas City is. (Unless they've mentioned KC in the show)
BTW, one of the people discussed by Lois and Bruno as having been killed by Lex was named Darius Chapel. This is a DC Easter egg -- Chapel is AKA the Music Meister.
As I acknowledged already when I said they convinced me you were right. Take the win.
What exactly is your problem with me here, Chuckles? Again, you are not the only person involved in this discussion. David cgc, for one, was still arguing counterpoints. (And he "Liked" my post instead of weirdly getting his back up over it.) Plus the Stryker's sign was new evidence -- though Nerys Myk had alluded to it -- and more definitive than any previously cited.
Superman and Lois - the final season
Episode 9 - "To Live and Die Again"
GOOD: Jonathan stepping up, believing the Kents should deal with Luthor once and for all. He's the most pragmatic of the Kent family and does not live in Polyanna-esque fantasies about life, death and evil. Of course his position would be shot down.
Cudlitz's Luthor continues to be this series' greatest villain (easily in the top three among Arrowverse TV series); as intended, he's a criminal, but even those on the wrong side of the law never lose their awareness of personally experienced injustice. Some--in their weekly fits & hand wringing against this fascinating Luthor--gloss over the immeasurable impact of nearly two decades of incarceration. Oh, they refer to the 17 years, but its clear they lack all comprehension of what false imprisonment would do to anyone--how it permanently changes or dissolves any notion of backing away from potential threats, but becoming consumed with ending it in a most punishing manner.. All of that is to say his layered plan--from "resurrecting" Doomsday to adding pain to misery with wearing armor designed to deal more blows to the Kent family is Luthor attempting to permanently exorcise the demon in his mind--that being Lois, obviously. Instead of being like some DC filmed villains, who simply are evil "just because", he's operating from a form of righteous anger against two who essentially "lived it up" while he was imprisoned and lost the one person he honestly loved. Those are easy to understand motives for what Cudlitz's Luthor is trying to achieve.
Mannheim's appearance was marginally interesting, only in getting a cameo from an old villain at the series' 11th hour. That said, his information about the nature of Luthor's past relationships was not all that revealing; Lois already had enough experience around Amanda to know she's potentially just a means to an end for Luthor, so....
Jordan using his old technique to relieve anxiety-triggered hyperventilation displayed a level of maturity for the character, along with trying to bring some "experienced" advice to his brother.
BAD: While someone might argue Clark sending the twins to help get the citizens to safety was the best utilization of their power, they did not need to stand down after the townspeople were evacuated / sheltering. The entire business about the twins not being strong enough was ridiculous, which had Clark (and his mother) operating from the manufactured belief that not being as strong as SM's pre-heart transplanet self somehow makes the twins incapable of being an effective force. The previous episode had the twins teaming up to destroy Nat's suit--a small taste of what they can do together. That, along with thinking outside of the box where fighting Doomsday is concerned (and why--after so many in-universe months--has Clark failed to work on strategies to combat the creature?) should give the Kents the edge (ever thought about calling father and daughter Irons to form a...oh, I don't know..a Justice League...), yet it all comes down to the SM-on-his-knees, scarred and loooking like a man who is near defeat--a cheap tease on the showrunner's part.
QUESTIONABLE: Next week, the series finale--"It Went By So Fast"--a title with several suggestive meanings, one potential being a reference to life seemingly going by fast, especially if one had been too busy (or obsessed) to appreciate what one had when he or she could do so.
Luthor's fate: simply sending back to prison would be a weak, anticlimatic ending for the character, and the last thing such a scene needs is some predictable speech from his counquerers cut to the tune of some would-be inspirational cue. After having a taste of freedom and a degree of media-served vindication, Luthor appears to be more powerful than ever, so I seriously doubt he would ever allow himself to be imprisoned again. That said, the only way to salvage Luthor returning to prison is the man losing his life, either through vengeful imates / guards, or perhaps his own hand. Grim ending, but not at all dissimilar to real wold criminals who were in the same position (imprisonment, round 2), and reached the point where they conclude death is preferable to the rage-inducing, 'round-the-clock abuses, particularly for one now much older...vulnerable.
GRADE: B.
Episode 9 - "To Live and Die Again"
GOOD: Jonathan stepping up, believing the Kents should deal with Luthor once and for all. He's the most pragmatic of the Kent family and does not live in Polyanna-esque fantasies about life, death and evil. Of course his position would be shot down.
Cudlitz's Luthor continues to be this series' greatest villain (easily in the top three among Arrowverse TV series); as intended, he's a criminal, but even those on the wrong side of the law never lose their awareness of personally experienced injustice. Some--in their weekly fits & hand wringing against this fascinating Luthor--gloss over the immeasurable impact of nearly two decades of incarceration. Oh, they refer to the 17 years, but its clear they lack all comprehension of what false imprisonment would do to anyone--how it permanently changes or dissolves any notion of backing away from potential threats, but becoming consumed with ending it in a most punishing manner.. All of that is to say his layered plan--from "resurrecting" Doomsday to adding pain to misery with wearing armor designed to deal more blows to the Kent family is Luthor attempting to permanently exorcise the demon in his mind--that being Lois, obviously. Instead of being like some DC filmed villains, who simply are evil "just because", he's operating from a form of righteous anger against two who essentially "lived it up" while he was imprisoned and lost the one person he honestly loved. Those are easy to understand motives for what Cudlitz's Luthor is trying to achieve.
Mannheim's appearance was marginally interesting, only in getting a cameo from an old villain at the series' 11th hour. That said, his information about the nature of Luthor's past relationships was not all that revealing; Lois already had enough experience around Amanda to know she's potentially just a means to an end for Luthor, so....
Jordan using his old technique to relieve anxiety-triggered hyperventilation displayed a level of maturity for the character, along with trying to bring some "experienced" advice to his brother.
BAD: While someone might argue Clark sending the twins to help get the citizens to safety was the best utilization of their power, they did not need to stand down after the townspeople were evacuated / sheltering. The entire business about the twins not being strong enough was ridiculous, which had Clark (and his mother) operating from the manufactured belief that not being as strong as SM's pre-heart transplanet self somehow makes the twins incapable of being an effective force. The previous episode had the twins teaming up to destroy Nat's suit--a small taste of what they can do together. That, along with thinking outside of the box where fighting Doomsday is concerned (and why--after so many in-universe months--has Clark failed to work on strategies to combat the creature?) should give the Kents the edge (ever thought about calling father and daughter Irons to form a...oh, I don't know..a Justice League...), yet it all comes down to the SM-on-his-knees, scarred and loooking like a man who is near defeat--a cheap tease on the showrunner's part.
QUESTIONABLE: Next week, the series finale--"It Went By So Fast"--a title with several suggestive meanings, one potential being a reference to life seemingly going by fast, especially if one had been too busy (or obsessed) to appreciate what one had when he or she could do so.
Luthor's fate: simply sending back to prison would be a weak, anticlimatic ending for the character, and the last thing such a scene needs is some predictable speech from his counquerers cut to the tune of some would-be inspirational cue. After having a taste of freedom and a degree of media-served vindication, Luthor appears to be more powerful than ever, so I seriously doubt he would ever allow himself to be imprisoned again. That said, the only way to salvage Luthor returning to prison is the man losing his life, either through vengeful imates / guards, or perhaps his own hand. Grim ending, but not at all dissimilar to real wold criminals who were in the same position (imprisonment, round 2), and reached the point where they conclude death is preferable to the rage-inducing, 'round-the-clock abuses, particularly for one now much older...vulnerable.
GRADE: B.
So, predictions for the finale? Do they kill Superman for real, having the super twins take over the mantle? Does he go into soft retirement due to diminishing powers? Do they realize Doomsday is a Superman copy and he's got a viable kryptonian heart to re-power Superman back up? Assume Lex just goes back to prison, with enough evidence to stick this time...
I like the theory that they'll do a take on Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow? and Clark will go into retirement under a new identity, while the world at large believes Superman to be dead. It could be something different, but I doubt they'll do the other big "ending" story, All-Star Superman; this take has been very grounded and human in a way that's incompatible with Superman going into seclusion in the heart of the sun like King Arthur going to Avalon.
How's that work in a world where his identity has already come out, though? They already know him as Superman AND Clark, plus all his family connections now. He could certainly attempt to go into hiding, but not if he wants contact with Lois or the kids outside of hiding out at the Fortress or something.
Off topic, but i dig how Jonathan's hoodie is blue and Jordan's is red. A nice nod to one of my favorite Silver Age stories, if you catch the reference.
But that's basically what happened in the comics story.
In "Whatever Happened to...," Superman's enemies outed him as Clark Kent, so he had to go into "witness protection," as it were, adopting a new identity as "Jordan Elliott," under which name he married Lois and had kids with her.
In this version, presumably, the whole family would need to adopt new identities. But I no longer think they're likely to go that route, since the show seems to be heading more in the direction of the family just living with the truth out in the open.
In this version, presumably, the whole family would need to adopt new identities. But I no longer think they're likely to go that route, since the show seems to be heading more in the direction of the family just living with the truth out in the open.
His only option would be to hide at the Fortress for the rest of his life, which would be avoidable if he did not expose his other half. If he maintained his secret, he would be able to retire SM (or let the world think he's dead), while the Clark side continued to live his regular family life in the world.
Yeah the show has given both soft and rather firm evidence that they are in the same state. The two earliest ones were the county name mentioned in background dialogue for both locations, and the fact that Metropolis and Smallville High School football teams play against each other, being a regular season game. That generally means same school district (though not always, but always the same state). Which again, matches the same county being used for both (of course different states do use same county names, but the real kicker is the HS football teams having regular games against each other.
But technically I don't think the show has ever flat out stated Metropolis, Kansas. It wouldn't surprise me if some of the background art department material indicates it. But I am not the anal.....
Christopher
Didn't read past your original post, so didn't;t realize others had already addressed.....
And I absolutely didn't spot the Kansas location of Stryker's.
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Can’t remember where I saw it but someone did suggest Tal-Rho as an alternative solution
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