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Are people really this fixed on things like the Bell Riots?
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Oh, you know of Aella? Lol. No, this woman was not Aella. She wrote "Not Aella" on her nametag because she's annoyed by how often she's confused for Aella.
I haven't met Aella or Eliezer, but we have mutual acquaintances since we're all cryonicists, of which there are only five thousand worldwide.
What about when the Bible contradicts itself?As a Christian, for anyone reading, I just want to say: if the Bible and the Church are in conflict, the Bible is the higher authority of the two. If the Church doesn't follow Scripture, time to either get the Church back on track or bail and find one that does.
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IIRC, "the end of days" rhetoric was popular in first Century Palestine among various "sidewalk preachers".Every generation thinks they're in the "last days."
Case in point: The Hunchback of Notre Dame by Victor Hugo was written in 1831 and set in 1482, and, sure enough, an early scene features a sidewalk preacher proclaiming that "Judgment Day" is at hand.
You can't say that /s
That makes people's brains go all wonky when they then try to rationalize the contradictions.
I just study the original language and text and find it doesn't when you understand the context.
Atheists.com is going to be extremely biased. Do you have anything more objective? Your web page takes verses out of context and lacks analysis.
Try and show some class.
Will the Earth abide forever (Ecclesiastes 1:4), or will the elements melt with fervent heat, and the Earth also (2 Peter 3:10)?Your web page takes verses out of context and lacks analysis.
Has a human seen Yahweh face to face (Genesis 32:30), or has no man seen the face of Yahweh at any time (John 1:18)?
Is Yahweh a fair god who doesn't force sons to bear their fathers' iniquities (Ezekiel 18:20), or he is a jealous god who visits fathers' iniquities upon their children, grandchildren, and great-grandchildren (Exodus 20:5)?
Does Yahweh tempt men (Genesis 22:1), or does he not tempt men (James 1:13)?
Is the grave permanent (Job 7:9), or impermanent (John 5:28-29)?
If incest is cursed and wicked (Deuteronomy 27:22 and Leviticus 20:17), why did Yahweh force the children of Adam and Eve into incestuous marriages and childbearing by commanding them to be fruitful and multiply (Genesis 1:28) while giving them no one but their own siblings and parents with whom to do so?
Much more importantly, what about when the Bible contradicts reality?
Matthew 16:28 and Luke 21:32-33 claim that Jesus said some of the people who were alive when he appeared in mortal form on Earth two millennia ago would not die until he returned. In reality, though, they are long dead, and Jesus has still not returned. Do you claim that there is a secret society of people from Jesus' time who have lived among us for the past two thousand years?
Also, why won't Yahweh heal amputees?
Most importantly of all, do people who never heard of Jesus (the vast majority of people who have ever lived) and people who heard of him but didn't believe in him suffer eternal, unrelenting agony in a lake of fire (including children and mentally disabled people)?
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I was just being snarky. Don't people have a sense of humor these days?
Well, this is a Star Trek forum. Canon / continuity is always pertinent
Nope.
Is it any wonder that Star Trek canon discussions become tedious?
Now, now... if VGR managed to keep track of its crew causality counts, ship damage, and shuttle losses, Ronald D. Moore might not have been inspired to create the reboot BATTLESTAR GALACTICA
Flaming
2 Peter 3:10 says, "10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare." It does not say the Earth will be destroyed, so there is no contradiction here.
Genesis 32:30 says, "So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, “It is because I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared.” John 1:18 says, "No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known." Face to face is not necessarily literal. In the original Hebrew, face can mean presence, therefore there is no contradiction here.
Exodus 20:5 says, " You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me," and Ezekial 18:20 says, "The one who sins is the one who will die. The child will not share the guilt of the parent, nor will the parent share the guilt of the child. The righteousness of the righteous will be credited to them, and the wickedness of the wicked will be charged against them." Exodus is speaking of God punishing multiple generations of people who hate him. Ezekial is speaking of God judging the individual for their own sins. Do you need further clarification?
Genesis 22:1 says, "Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!”
“Here I am,” he replied." - What's this got to do with temptation?
Job 7 details the suffering of Job. John 5:28-29 says, "Do not be amazed at this, for a time is coming when all who are in their graves will hear his voice 29 and come out—those who have done what is good will rise to live, and those who have done what is evil will rise to be condemned." This is regarding the second coming of Christ. There is no contradiction.
Yahweh did not "force" anyone into marriages. The prohibition of marriage to siblings did not yet exist, thus there is no contradiction here. At the start with Adam, Eve, and the second generation (their children), the prohibition did not yet exist. Additionally, human genetic degradation was not a thing yet. There is no contradiction here.
Matthew 16:28 is likely referencing Christ's resurrection and ascension to heaven which they did witness. Luke 21:32-33 is prophecy given by Christ. There is no contradiction here.
We live in a fallen and sinful world. Bad things happen to good people. How do you know an amputee has never been healed by Christ?
People who reject Christ up until death condemn themselves to Hell by rejecting Christ's free gift of Salvation. As for those who go their entire life having never heard the Gospel, I can honestly say I do not know the answer to this question.
You weren't being funny; you we're being an ass to religious people. Not cool, bro.
TOS was eerily accurate about events in 1968. So naturally, some fans want to see what else in the Trek universe matches up.
There are also people that want to make Star Trek a reality, specifically living in a better world than now, and the Bell Riots are a checkpoint on a roadmap.
Obviously, there haven’t been any riots this year. But there are sanctuary cities in America, a cost-of-living crisis and housing crisis in America (among other countries), and Trotskyists came to power opposite of the Gaullists in France this summer. And NASA did send a probe to Europa. There’s even open-mindedness to Irish reunification, if not in 2024, then in the future. So, these fans feel validated somewhat in their views.
Still, the Bell Riots are an anachronism of the 1990s. Just like TOS’s idea of the 1990s Eugenics Wars was an anachronism of the late 1960s, and SNW’s idea of a Second US Civil War might be remembered as an anachronism the 2020s.
There are also people that want to make Star Trek a reality, specifically living in a better world than now, and the Bell Riots are a checkpoint on a roadmap.
Obviously, there haven’t been any riots this year. But there are sanctuary cities in America, a cost-of-living crisis and housing crisis in America (among other countries), and Trotskyists came to power opposite of the Gaullists in France this summer. And NASA did send a probe to Europa. There’s even open-mindedness to Irish reunification, if not in 2024, then in the future. So, these fans feel validated somewhat in their views.
Still, the Bell Riots are an anachronism of the 1990s. Just like TOS’s idea of the 1990s Eugenics Wars was an anachronism of the late 1960s, and SNW’s idea of a Second US Civil War might be remembered as an anachronism the 2020s.
The timeline will have to adjust itself again it seems.
Also about A.D. 1000 many Christians in Europe were convinced the end of days was coming. (Spoiler alert: it didn't.)
Ah, so kind of like figuring out how to rationalize the contradictions within Star Trek...
The apocalyptic mysticism of 1st C CE Judeans in the Roman client state, later province, of Judea was not "end of days." it focused on religious restoration and political sovereignty. The world-coming-to-an-end stuff was a marriage of that apocalypticism with Gnosticism and Hellenic religion.
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