Or that, if you prefer.
Technological is my preferred interpretation of all these short films, although I can see the spiritual side of it all.
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Technological is my preferred interpretation of all these short films, although I can see the spiritual side of it all.
This cannot be stressed enough.
This is still part of my canon!^^This little movie will make watching Generations not so bad now.
And i am sure a lot of other people will be very happy indeed with it, took 30 years, but their wish has now come true, but my friends, we've come home.
Could be. Like a Kirk clone? That's the way that I'm going rather than a Nexus thing.
I need to watch this again after having seen some discussion on it. My first watch didn't quite garner the same reaction from me as it seems to have from many others. I ended it was a headscratch and a "wut?"
I really had no idea what was happening. They flashed to the "Project Lazarus" from PIC... did they bring Kirk back to life? And then... he goes to some garden and Kelvin Timeline DSC dude gives him a comm badge and Saavik is there for some reason and then he sees Spock die? The whole thing just confused me. I mean it triggered a "cool" from me because Kirk and Spock and stuff, but i'm left at a loss as to what I actually watched.
I really had no idea what was happening. They flashed to the "Project Lazarus" from PIC... did they bring Kirk back to life? And then... he goes to some garden and Kelvin Timeline DSC dude gives him a comm badge and Saavik is there for some reason and then he sees Spock die? The whole thing just confused me. I mean it triggered a "cool" from me because Kirk and Spock and stuff, but i'm left at a loss as to what I actually watched.
From what I’ve gathered, it’s Wesley in the late 25th/early 26th century. Being a Traveler apparently doesn’t stop the aging process.
As for Kirk:
He’s either a clone or it’s his dead body reanimated.
I'll leave your spoiler tag but I don't actually think this needs it. I'll respond with it though just because.
I don't think we should look at in quite as linear of a fashion. Wesley "in the late 25th/early 26th century" is somewhat meaningless for a being who for all intents and purposes exists outside of time. Wesley as portrayed could be 10,000 years old and simply occupying that particular place in space/time at the moment.
I feel like the "Crusher" credit is intentionally vague.
If it is Wesley, why is he in an old Starfleet captain's dress uniform? Is it Jack? One of their descendants?
I guess Wesley makes the most sense, but given that the character was barely visible in the film I'm not going to worry too much.
If it is Wesley, why is he in an old Starfleet captain's dress uniform? Is it Jack? One of their descendants?
I guess Wesley makes the most sense, but given that the character was barely visible in the film I'm not going to worry too much.
I think Wesley makes sense too, just for the fact of being a Traveler/Time Lord.
I *REALLY* despise the idea with every fiber of my being that "Kirk is dead and everyone here is dead and it's like, heaven or something". No. That's horrible.
Rather, i'd be more comfortable with this being a group of Travelers and this is a resurrected Kirk. I can see something along the lines of Section 31 resurrected Kirk with... probably some sort of nefarious intent. The Travelers were like "Nope!" and yoinked Kirk right the hell out of there.
Hell maybe even more fun, if these ARE Travelers/"Temporal Agent" types... that kind of makes sense for them to swipe a resurrected Kirk... he doesn't belong in the 25th century anyway, and now that opens up Kirk to be a Traveler as well!
I can't see Wesley back in SF, as he was still a Traveler in PIC.
Q appeared in Starfleet uniform all the time. Hardly an officer.
I don't think it's horrible but it also makes no sense with the visuals.
Could also be a
Soong Golem
Yep, could be.
Speaking totally for myself, once I connected all the dots, my interpretation seems to make the most sense. It’s not the afterlife. It’s not the Nexus. Somehow Kirk was brought back to life in the 26th century and was given an opportunity to see Spock again before he died. It’s that simple. YMMV.
I know, I know, don't look a gift horse in the mouth and all that … but while I think from a technical standpoint this is absolutely incredible, and I totally recognize that those involved in it both love Trek and the craft of visual storytelling … this just didn’t do a whole lot for me. And I almost feel sorry about that, because I really like and appreciate the creative folks behind this project. 
For one thing, I’m just super weirded out by none of the characters uttering a word, just gazing at each other meaningfully. This can work, of course, but here it’s just stretched to a point where it felt off to me or almost unintentionally funny. I’m also someone who certainly appreciates a little ambiguity in their entertainment, but this … well, whatever there is in terms of narrative is just too confusing for my tastes. What the hell has Gary Mitchell got to do with anything? (I understand this is some reference to a comic, but he just feels super out of place in this.) Why would (Wesley?) Crusher be in this? And why that alien from Discovery? As I said, I appreciate some mystique, but this is just question mark after question mark for what feels like no reason at all.
But also, as much as I love Shatner as the original Kirk, I’ve never been particularly fond of the idea of bringing him back after the events of Generations. I remember reading Shatner’s novels about that and finding them laughably contrived and stupid, like someone’s juvenile fan fiction. So if this is an attempt at bringing some of that to the screen, I’m just not someone who ever wanted to see that.
And then more generally … and I promise I’m not trying to look too deep into what is obviously some very well produced fan production … just an observation: I’m always a little taken aback by how a part of fandom is so wowed by faithfully recreating the old look of characters (or ships or sets or props etc.). I’m someone who’s way more comfortable with them casting a new guy as Kirk and tell a new story rather than trying to resurrect how an actor looked 30 years ago. It sometimes feels some fans would be way more comfortable if this was what Star Trek is from now on: Trying to recreate the look of old Trek to a tee instead of having new creative people reinterpret, reimagine and remix what came before.
Oh, and I’m very impressed they got Michael Giacchino to create the score for this! (Although it sounds sneakily similar to a particular recurring theme from Lost.
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For one thing, I’m just super weirded out by none of the characters uttering a word, just gazing at each other meaningfully. This can work, of course, but here it’s just stretched to a point where it felt off to me or almost unintentionally funny. I’m also someone who certainly appreciates a little ambiguity in their entertainment, but this … well, whatever there is in terms of narrative is just too confusing for my tastes. What the hell has Gary Mitchell got to do with anything? (I understand this is some reference to a comic, but he just feels super out of place in this.) Why would (Wesley?) Crusher be in this? And why that alien from Discovery? As I said, I appreciate some mystique, but this is just question mark after question mark for what feels like no reason at all.
But also, as much as I love Shatner as the original Kirk, I’ve never been particularly fond of the idea of bringing him back after the events of Generations. I remember reading Shatner’s novels about that and finding them laughably contrived and stupid, like someone’s juvenile fan fiction. So if this is an attempt at bringing some of that to the screen, I’m just not someone who ever wanted to see that.
And then more generally … and I promise I’m not trying to look too deep into what is obviously some very well produced fan production … just an observation: I’m always a little taken aback by how a part of fandom is so wowed by faithfully recreating the old look of characters (or ships or sets or props etc.). I’m someone who’s way more comfortable with them casting a new guy as Kirk and tell a new story rather than trying to resurrect how an actor looked 30 years ago. It sometimes feels some fans would be way more comfortable if this was what Star Trek is from now on: Trying to recreate the look of old Trek to a tee instead of having new creative people reinterpret, reimagine and remix what came before.
Oh, and I’m very impressed they got Michael Giacchino to create the score for this! (Although it sounds sneakily similar to a particular recurring theme from Lost.
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It has felt this way to me for over a decade now.
ETA: since Abrams first film and the cry out that he got it wrong.
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Probably a backlash over how absurdly-more-than-20% different Byran Fuller and DSC tried to be in an era where everyone in the fandom thought they knew what the universe was supposed to look like, from uniforms to ships to Klingons. Once the shit was out of the horse on that one, they could never put it back and the fandom continued to react viscerally in that context, even when it was arguably unwarranted.
And, of course, the Abrams films had their own struggles in that regard, as well. At least JJ had the wherewithal to hand-wave it away as an alternate timeline, making it an easier pill to swallow. Making DSC Prime Universe with all those drastic changes was... a miscalculation.
And, of course, the Abrams films had their own struggles in that regard, as well. At least JJ had the wherewithal to hand-wave it away as an alternate timeline, making it an easier pill to swallow. Making DSC Prime Universe with all those drastic changes was... a miscalculation.
I wouldn't like to see these kind of deepfakes used in an actual story - I think SNW has got the recasting pretty much perfect, and Star Wars has shown how empty the deepfake route is.
This is more like video art, or an animated comic strip, a "what if" giving some final closure to the two key characters of TOS. It simply wouldn't mean the same if it was Pine and Quinto, or Wesley and Peck.
For me, the lack of speaking is a feature, not a bug. It would probably shatter the illusion.
This is more like video art, or an animated comic strip, a "what if" giving some final closure to the two key characters of TOS. It simply wouldn't mean the same if it was Pine and Quinto, or Wesley and Peck.
For me, the lack of speaking is a feature, not a bug. It would probably shatter the illusion.
If used sparingly, for projects like this specific to particular characters, I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing but, yeah, I prefer the "au-naturale" route as well.
I think that, despite the recent easy of access to AI assets like this, it still may be somewhat cost prohibitive to use to build full-length feature films, at least on an energy consumption level. At least, for now. It's still a tech that's in its relative infancy. Within the next 5-10 years, however, I suspect it will improve in both quality and efficiency to the point of going full mainstream. The uncanny valley will disappear into a dry creek bed and LOTS of people will be out of a job.
I think that, despite the recent easy of access to AI assets like this, it still may be somewhat cost prohibitive to use to build full-length feature films, at least on an energy consumption level. At least, for now. It's still a tech that's in its relative infancy. Within the next 5-10 years, however, I suspect it will improve in both quality and efficiency to the point of going full mainstream. The uncanny valley will disappear into a dry creek bed and LOTS of people will be out of a job.
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