Turbolift mazes inside empty starships! LOL!!!
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I could give a shit how realistic the Turbolift Funhouse is. It just LOOKS cool, and that's all I care about. 
Well, I guess that’s why its called the “funhouse”.I could give a shit how realistic the Turbolift Funhouse is. It just LOOKS cool, and that's all I care about.
I'm not so sure. In the main cutaway, it appears to fit. For the enlarged view, you can see a faint red border that outlines the engineering hull in scale to engineering. The Enterprise in the background shouldn't be there.This is where I'm going to ruin Strange New Worlds for you
They admit in their own design documents that engineering is a fudge to fit where it's supposed to be.
The main cutaway is how it is meant to fit, irrespective of "actual" sizes. Below shows how big is actually is overlaid on the 442m Enterprise. The red outline is the minimum size bigger the Enterprise needs to be in order to actually fit it.
Just flip it so it's facing the other way, problem solved!
The shuttle was built by amt at a smaller scale in exchange for the license to sell Enterprise model kits
It still feels weird to me that they decided to have the pipe-cathedral pointing towards the front of the ship, rather than the pipes plugging into the warp engines.
That's so funny, because I remember when they were the most hated guys in Trek fandom, especially around here.
Back in the 90's, I liked them, never had any hate for them.
I think Berman didn't care, but I think Braga was really hurt by that. 
Berman and Braga as the co-overlords of Star Trek was only really a thing for the first three seasons of Enterprise and a bonus episode at the end, so I can see why they might have gotten some hate as a pair. But the Berman era's currently winning in the 'best era of Star Trek' poll with 60% of the vote, so the guy must have gotten a few things right!
I don't actually know who's job it would've been to prevent turbolift mazes back in the 90s, but I do know that they had a 100% flawless track record. They didn't do so well with scaling the ships in Deep Space Nine though.
I don't actually know who's job it would've been to prevent turbolift mazes back in the 90s, but I do know that they had a 100% flawless track record. They didn't do so well with scaling the ships in Deep Space Nine though.
I thought most of the B&B hate came from Voyager (S4-7), Enterprise (S1-3), Insurrection, and Nemesis?
I don't think Braga was considered Berman's partner until Enterprise, though I could be wrong about that. He was maybe the most notorious of the Voyager showrunners, due to things like his conflict with Ronald D. Moore, but there were a few of them and he wasn't even the last (Kenneth Biller ran Voyager's final year). Braga had no involvement with Insurrection or Nemesis either.
But when Enterprise started, the two of them were mentioned together all the time. It was always "Berman and Braga". I'm sure Berman and Braga got plenty of hate separately before then, Braga did write Sub Rosa, and Threshold, and Aquiel, and Genesis... but B&B was born with Enterprise. To my recollection.
But when Enterprise started, the two of them were mentioned together all the time. It was always "Berman and Braga". I'm sure Berman and Braga got plenty of hate separately before then, Braga did write Sub Rosa, and Threshold, and Aquiel, and Genesis... but B&B was born with Enterprise. To my recollection.
I know Braga didn't work on INS and NEM, and I know B&B handed the final season of Voyager off to Biller. I was mostly addressing the "era" of B&B hate.
Until i saw that digram, I had just assumed the pipe cathedral things went backwards and was surprised to discover the forward orientation. I asked my daughter (who wouldn't even know where the bridge was if they didn't use those shots where they zoom in through the window), her opinion about the layout and she immediately replied, "The circular thing at the end of the room is probably connected to that dish thing on the front."
Or a docking hatch for Defiant.
There's no accounting for taste, as we say in Germany. But for me, a key part of the fascination was always that the production design took an approach that was not based on "just looking cool", but rather on making sense, and thus offered a realistic world that people who were enthusiastic about space and technology could imagine themselves in. That was probably also the reason why many people from NASA or Hawking were such big fans. Now, let's not pretend that Star Trek was purely scientific - not by a long shot. But for me, this kind of nonsense is miles beyond the suspension of disbelief.I could give a shit how realistic the Turbolift Funhouse is. It just LOOKS cool, and that's all I care about.
This is where I'm going to ruin Strange New Worlds for you
They admit in their own design documents that engineering is a fudge to fit where it's supposed to be.
And here's the shaft from episode 1 from the below angle:
Also others have shown the shuttlebay is massively bigger on the inside to the outside (let alone when it spewed 100+ fighters in Discovery season 2!
Good grief - that's so much bigger than I expected it to be!
Still very nice - plus considerably prettier than most of the engineering locations on the JJ Enterprise - but still, pretty hefty.
And hard to fit into the interior too.
(Mind you, many have suggested the same of the 1701-A engineering set, as well)
What we see is an optical illusion.What was up with the turbolift mazes inside empty starships?This was a thing in Disco S2 and at least one Short Trek, if I remember correctly. Please tell me they listened to the fans and stopped doing this. I don't remember seeing this in Picard nor the cartoons. Haven't seen SNW yet.
I could give a shit how realistic the Turbolift Funhouse is. It just LOOKS cool, and that's all I care about.
You thought it looked cool? Huh. I thought it looked ridiculously stupid.
That's not how the scenes were presented.
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