I am curious to see how DC will fair without Cavil now that he's marvel? I don't trust James Gunn and his "direction". Just letting this all get of hand was a mistake honestly.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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I probably would have liked a Robin Williams Joker better than the Nicholson one. Nicholson didn't really play the Joker, he played Jack Nicholson's default screen persona in whiteface, and I was never a fan of that persona. Okay, a Williams Joker would probably have played up Williams's usual zaniness, but Williams proved that he could play quite chilling villains as well as comedy characters, so I think he would've been a brilliant Joker.
I’d have loved to see Tim Curry as the 1989 Joker
Cavill isn't with Marvel yet. There are unconfirmed rumors that he's had discussions about possibly playing a still completely unnamed major character. That's it so far, other than his joke cameo in D&W.
And whether he's with Marvel or not it really doesn't matter to DC. He's not with DC anymore, either way. Plus he didn't exactly have the best track record with DC in the first place in either BO or audience response. Him being gone is highly unlikely to be even close to the main thing that determines whether the DCU will be a hit or not.
As for 'letting this all get out of hand' - by which you seem to be referring to the decision to full reboot - there really wasn't much other option when the DCEU didn't manage to have a single real hit film at any point after 2018.
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Why are there a bajillion Joker origin movies?
Maybe Mask of the Phantasm, but that only shows flashbacks of him before his accident, so it depends on how you define "origin." The Dark Knight's Joker asserted several origins, but presumably none of them were true, so it hardly counts. Other than that, I can think of no cinematic Joker stories depicting his origin.
I am probably remembering this wrong but I thought there were at least two more before the one that just came out.
Well, that was the problem: Burton's hang-ups about what he saw as "square-jawed hero" (his words) which he did not want, hence the miscasting of Keaton.
We've seen the Joker in six films: Batman '66, Batman '89, The Dark Knight, Suicide Squad, the Joker and Joker: Folie à Deux. Has glorified cameos in Harley Quinn, Zack Snyder's Justice League and The Batman. Only two of the films give him an origin.
Also Batman: Mask of the Phantasm and The Lego Batman Movie, if we're limiting it to theatrical releases.
As for Folie a Deux,
doesn't it end with some guy killing Arthur Fleck and scarring his own mouth, implying that this is the origin of a second Joker, perhaps even the Ledger one?
Although as far as Fleck is concerned, that would make it the opposite of an origin movie.
Although as far as Fleck is concerned, that would make it the opposite of an origin movie.
I know I'm gonna regret this. Live Action.
I'm just being thorough. It's what I do. Show me a list and I have to complete it.
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Did he really smell that bad?
He might have been miscast as the comic book version of Batman, but worked great for Burton's version. The issue wouldn't be Keaton's casting, the issue would be with how Burton handled the character.
The issue was the casting--a direct reflection of Burton's rejection of who Bruce Wayne/Batman was supposed to be, and a short, balding comedic actor was not that.
Once I accepted those first two films as Tim Burton's version of Batman, rather than Batman from the comics, I grew to appreciate them a lot more.
I disregard them as poor versions of the character based on Burton's hangups which were put front and center, much in the way I do the same with other misguided adaptations of superhero characters.