Which series would you want next?

[Dukhat]

They're not going to get told in Strange New Worlds though, because they only put out 20 episodes every three years. If they announced that Strange New Worlds will be getting double the episodes, except half of them will be set in the 25th century and feature a different crew, then I'd be down for that.

More likely that instead of having two shows running concurrently about two crews on two ships named Enterprise telling basically the same stories, they would instead have a show about a ship, and a show about, say, cadets at an academy, or workers on a hotel planet, or a crew on a space station where an artificial wormhole was found…

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

telling basically the same stories

Source, please.

Picard took place on what was to become TWO Enterprises and was not even close to any story told on the Enterprise of SNW.

Facts are more helpful in these discussions.

 

[Daedalus]

All this would suddenly be irrelevant if the ship was still called the Titan.

The USS Discovery had adventures at the same time as the USS Enterprise, and they definitely weren't the same stories.

 

[Dukhat]

Source, please.

My source is that I’m thinking like a CBS/Paramount network executive, not some fan on a Star Trek online bulletin board.

 

[Dukhat]

All this would suddenly be irrelevant if the ship was still called the Titan.

The USS Discovery had adventures at the same time as the USS Enterprise, and they definitely weren't the same stories.

If you showed an episode of DSC (from any time period), an episode of SNW, and an episode of PIC season 3 to anyone who was not a Star Trek fan, it would be unlikely that they’d know each show took place in a different century. They’re that similar on the surface.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

My source is that I’m thinking like a CBS/Paramount network executive, not some fan on a Star Trek online bulletin board.

A fan on a Star Trek online bulletin board claims to think like a network executive?

I don't think you understand the contradiction in what you just wrote as you continue to evade any questions with any truth or facts at all.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

If you showed an episode of DSC (from any time period), an episode of SNW, and an episode of PIC season 3 to anyone who was not a Star Trek fan, it would be unlikely that they’d know each show took place in a different century. They’re that similar on the surface.

Judging just by the surface elements isn't a problem with the art, but the viewer.

If you're dumb enough to believe Farscape, The Expanse, Andromeda, Babylon 5 and Voyager are the same story, then go back to kindergarten and start your education over.

 

[Dukhat]

Judging just by the surface elements isn't a problem with the art, but the viewer.

If you're dumb enough to believe Farscape, The Expanse, Andromeda, Babylon 5 and Voyager are the same story, then go back to kindergarten and start your education over.

How about you cut out the personal insults and act like a civilized member of the TrekBBS? You do realize that people not into science fiction can barely tell one show apart from another? And it’s not because they’re dumb.

 

[HotRod]

You do realize that people not into science fiction can barely tell one show apart from another? And it’s not because they’re dumb.

You're not wrong. My Grandmother never could tell the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. As a kid, I'd always ask for Trek toys for Christmas, but all I ever really got from her was Star Wars toys. She was not a dumb person, Sci-fi just wasn't her thing. Her response was that it was all "space stuff."

 

[Dukhat]

You're not wrong. My Grandmother never could tell the difference between Star Trek and Star Wars. As a kid, I'd always ask for Trek toys for Christmas, but all I ever really got from her was Star Wars toys. She was not a dumb person, Sci-fi just wasn't her thing. Her response was that it was all "space stuff."

And conversely, if I were to tell a non-Trek, non-Sci-fi person that DSC and SNW takes place before TOS, and that they all take place in the same continuity, they would laugh in my face. And it’s not because they’re dumb either. We Trekkies get what they’re doing with the visual reboot, but Average Joe TV Viewer would not unless it was explained to them.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

How about you cut out the personal insults and act like a civilized member of the TrekBBS? You do realize that people not into science fiction can barely tell one show apart from another? And it’s not because they’re dumb.

Then why are they your baseline demographic for your "Can't be overlapping starship shows, they'll be confused!!"?

Besides, before you insult me again, read what I said.
I said "story", which isn't about the superficial visual element. One needs to watch and take it in to get the "story", and if someone still can't tell the difference, I completely stand by my stance of getting them a better education.

 

[Daedalus]

If you showed an episode of DSC (from any time period), an episode of SNW, and an episode of PIC season 3 to anyone who was not a Star Trek fan, it would be unlikely that they’d know each show took place in a different century. They’re that similar on the surface.

Which would definitely be true, I can't deny that. It never stopped them being made together, though.

I'm actually lost as to what the main argument is now...If its that two shows set on a starship can be made, but the nuances are lost on the general audience, then sure. My old man swore blind that Star Wars and Star Trek were all one thing.

 

[Dukhat]

Then why are they your baseline demographic for your "Can't be overlapping starship shows, they'll be confused!!"?

You miss the point. Whether the audience will be confused or not is just a hypothesis. Whether that’s true or not is irrelevant. The argument is that there is little point in making another show with a crew aboard an Enterprise (or any other ship for that matter) if it isn’t going to be much different from the show they’re already producing about a crew on a ship. VOY was no different from TNG as far as the stories they were telling. The only difference between them and what you’re proposing is that those shows were not running at the same time.

And please point out where I insulted you, because from where I’m standing, you’re the one getting all huffy and worked up about this conversation.

 

[Dukhat]

Which would definitely be true, I can't deny that. It never stopped them being made together, though.

I'm actually lost as to what the main argument is now...If its that two shows set on a starship can be made, but the nuances are lost on the general audience, then sure. My old man swore blind that Star Wars and Star Trek were all one thing.

The argument is that I don’t see CBS/Paramount producing another show with a crew on an Enterprise (i.e. Legacy) until the current show about a crew on an Enterprise (SNW) is over. It’s that simple.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

You miss the point. Whether the audience will be confused or not is just a hypothesis. Whether that’s true or not is irrelevant. The argument is that there is little point in making another show with a crew aboard an Enterprise (or any other ship for that matter) if it isn’t going to be much different from the show they’re already producing about a crew on a ship. VOY and ENT were no different from TNG. The only difference between them and what you’re proposing is that those shows were not running at the same time.

And please point out where I insulted you, because from where I’m standing, you’re the one getting all puffy and worked up about this conversation.

Okay. Then at least just answer why do you continue to ignore the modern streaming shows of overlapping production of Picard, Discovery, SNW and Lower Decks which throws your views completely out the window of "no point of having ship based shows with different crews"? Why a new precedent is obvious for you when it has yet to be set for modern Treks?

 

[Dukhat]

Okay. Then at least just answer why do you continue to ignore the modern streaming shows of overlapping production of Picard, Discovery, SNW and Lower Decks which throws your views completely out the window of "no point of having ship based shows with different crews"? Why a new precedent is obvious for you when it has yet to be set for modern Treks?

Because the original idea of having 5 simultaneous Trek series running concurrently didn’t work. The cancellation of 4 of them is proof of that.

 

[Daedalus]

The argument is that I don’t see CBS/Paramount producing another show with a crew on an Enterprise (i.e. Legacy) until the current show about a crew on an Enterprise (SNW) is over. It’s that simple.

I would tend to agree, in that case. Theres not enough money to justify it.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Because the original idea of having 5 simultaneous Trek series running concurrently didn’t work. The cancellation of 4 of them is proof of that.

Well that's not in debate. It's all about the funding. All streamers are facing the problem. But it's certainly not about the potential "story confusion".

 

[Dukhat]

Well that's not in debate. It's all about the funding. All streamers are facing the problem. But it's certainly not about the potential "story confusion".

Again, it’s not about ‘story confusion.’ It’s about the necessity of producing two concurrent shows that are basically little different from each other.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Again, it’s not about ‘story confusion.’ It’s about the necessity of producing two concurrent shows that are basically little different from each other.

Which, aside from the collapse of the strength of streaming everywhere, presented zero production issues since Star Trek entered this new age. Which you have yet to acknowledge.