I also want more diversity. If I object to a show it won't ever be over race or demographic profile of a casting decision.
Woke regarding film/TV: is it a big deal?
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Exactly right.
I can't tell you how many times I've immediately noped out of a YouTube video that seemed potentially interesting in terms of its subject matter, as soon as the guy (and it's pretty much always a guy) so much as brushed up against "anti-woke" rhetoric. No time or patience for anybody who would go there, and things are almost certainly only headed downhill from that point.
Here's a few: (Note.. changing to any POC)
Lana Lang, Smallville
Iris West, Flash
Jimmy Olsen, Supergirl
Miss Martian, Supergirl
Electro, Spiderman Movie
Mary Jane, Spiderman movie
Starfire, Titans
Jim and Barbara Gordon, Movies and series
Carrie Kelly, Batwoman
List goes on
If the world doesn't revolve around people who are uncomfortable with gay stuff, then it also doesn't revolve around people who want to force them to be comfortable with it or risk being shunned as a bigot.
#1 Fair points, fair points. Is it really that big of a deal if X person avoids X content they find objectionable for personal reasons?
#2 How do you know it's wrong? We can't say "born that way" without genetic evidence. I keep an open mind to human biology, so if you can submit a genetic or developmental reason for born gay, then I am all ears. Some of my friends are gay, and one of them and I have discuss this endlessly where we both genuinely explore each other's take on this. If you can prove my friend right, please do.
Please note, I object to conversation therapy. If someone doesn't want to be gay, that should be something they choose, not something that is chosen for them by someone else. Can we agree on that?
#3 Genetic, hormonal, and environmental factors: what is the scientific evidence to support this? I would like to read it.
You realize that it is bigoted, correct? Bigots shouldn't be shunned, however.
When we are uncomfortable with something or have bigoted opinions (which are normal to have), in a free and democratic society it is important that if we want to be a good citizen that we reflect on those feelings to help us understand them better. This can help us overcome them.
There is no difference between being uncomfortable with an LGBTQ2S person and being uncomfortable around a person with a different skin color or a person from another culture. If you find yourself nervous around an Arabic person then that is a feeling that needs to be examined.
If a person will not watch a program or a movie because two men kiss in it then, yes, that is bigoted and if that person feels uncomfortable being identified that way they need to reflect on who they are. **There is a difference between a kiss and more graphic content in a movie, which is why rating systems exist**
The only real "woke" are the poor bastards like myself who didn't get enough sleep last night.
Every bit of this.
For most people, sexuality is behavior, not a physical trait.
Being gay is not the same as race, height, physical fit vs. obese, and so on.
If I am medium-height, white, lean or fat, these are physical traits.
If, who, and when I pair up with: this is behavior. Is it not? Genuine question.
Choosing not to watch a movie over X content is not how we define bigot.
Bigot Definition: from Meriam Webster dictionary:
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
Chilling with a gay friend or relative such as going out bowling and having a great time, but not wanting to watch gay content does not line up with the above definition. Does it?
Do we live in a society where everyone who disagrees with the majority is a bigot by default?
If an atheist avoids movies/TV with religious characters, is he a bigot too?
Being gay does not seem to be much different from color or gender if the biological science is right, and so far I have no reason to doubt it. So, yes, hanging out with someone with or watching a fictional character who's gay is sort of similar to being a white man and having a friend or watching a fictional creation who's a woman or black or what have you.
And speaks volumes for one's tolerance and kindness if those are breaking points.
And speaks volumes for one's tolerance and kindness if those are breaking points.
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Skin color, racial features, height, physical fitness, and so on are observable differences.
"Being gay" cannot be observable until "gay behavior" has been engaged.
This is why I do not think it is bigoted for some people to see it as behavior, not a physical trait.
Objecting to observed behavior is not the same as objecting to skin color.
Does this make sense?
I don't know, with some gay people you can tell they're LGBTQ from the minute they speak or even display body language. Sometimes it IS observable.
I call BS. I've known gay people who present straight, and I've met people who you'd think were 100% gay, but he's straight as straight can be. People sometimes think I'm gay for standing super close to guys, because I am partially deaf and stand close to hear people.
You can call BS all you want but some gay men are so obvious Stevie Wonder could see them through smoked goggles you use for atomic test blasts. That makes them observable traits.
If they were sleeping in plain pajamas, could you still tell?
This is behavior, not physical traits.
Sigh.
This bolded part of your statement is rather telling.
I believe in American freedom. I'd rather deal with assholes than have the state force everyone to be sheep.
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