What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Ray Hardgrit]

It's notable that the Founder threat of infiltration and terrorism becomes less and less a problem in the later seasons of DS9. The Section 31 virus arguably put a stop to that threat.

It certainly did when the Changelings could no longer hold their shape properly, but that was very late into season 7.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

It's notable that the Founder threat of infiltration and terrorism becomes less and less a problem in the later seasons of DS9. The Section 31 virus arguably put a stop to that threat.

Especially since the Morphogenic virus would accelerate everytime they transformed.

Sure, there's no way to know.

Spoiler: ST:PIC S3 Plot Spoilers

Despite ST:PIC S3, Admiral Pic & the Enterprise-D crew managed to deliver a significant blow to a "HUGE Multi-Decade" revenge plot that the remaining Borg Queen had plotted for decades.
That's alot of work, and many Borg Cubes / Drones sacrificed on a Hail Mary Revenge Plot.
And all it took was Admiral JLP & his old Enterprise-D crew to stop it along with a few sacrifices along the way.

Namely Commander Ro Laren & Captain Liam Shaw

 

[Phoenix219]

There's an argument to be made that Star Trek approaches humanity as the ideal.

I'm not saying I totally agree with it, but I can see where the argument is coming from. You're right, it not about the body or hardware, but that "humanity" (in the broad strokes of the meaning of the word) is the standard by which "normal" proceeds from. And any aberrations to that form (whether through genetic engineering or cybernetics) diminishes it. For example, in his path to be more human, Data sees the acquisition of human emotions (no matter how erratic they can be) as a step in that path, instead of accepting his own android nature as an extension of what it means to be human.

The Starfleet characters, and the Federation they represent, are paragons of a society that has conquered modern day evils, and all of the cultures and species they encounter are aspects of our society that are taken to extremes. So, in the setting, humanity are the witness/observers of the human condition from an ideal perspective.

It's notable that the Founder threat of infiltration and terrorism becomes less and less a problem in the later seasons of DS9. The Section 31 virus arguably put a stop to that threat.

Was there any major pieces of DS9 after this occurs? Wasn't that all in Season 7?

 

[Shawnster]

Many Delta Quadrant alien species who encountered her on the USS Voyager still considered her "Part Borg".

So, bigoted beings.

 

[Rowdy Roddy McDowall]

So, bigoted beings.

Perhaps referring to herself as Seven Of Nine negatively influenced them?

 

[Phoenix219]

Perhaps referring to herself as Seven Of Nine negatively influenced them?

But don't forget, if you don't use that moniker then you are the one being bigoted, because reasons.

She chose her borg identity over her human one. That was her choice....

 

[Farscape One]

I can't really blame Delta Quadrant races who are less than friendly when they see Seven.

The Borg have killed, or worse assimilated, billions and billions of people. Even made entire species extinct. Especially if all your own race and your family was killed off.

 

[Shawnster]

Perhaps referring to herself as Seven Of Nine negatively influenced them?

But don't forget, if you don't use that moniker then you are the one being bigoted, because reasons.

She chose her borg identity over her human one. That was her choice....

That's called Stockholm Syndrome, isn't it? When one chooses to identifiy with their kidnappers/captors/abuser.

 

[Phoenix219]

That's called Stockholm Syndrome, isn't it? When one chooses to identifiy with their kidnappers/captors/abuser.

But we were supposed to think Shaw was an asshole for using her human name. Because, politics?

 

[StarTrek1701]

Another one:
Kelvin Timeline by the time '09 ends, has more advanced tech than the 25th century in Picard's (S3) time.

 

[Daedalus]

Another one:
Kelvin Timeline by the time '09 ends, has more advanced tech than the 25th century in Picard's (S3) time.

Nero's ship must've been something special.

Also, transwarp beaming seems to suggest that the Starfleet of the KT are embracing technology that the Starfleet of the PT didn't want to touch. Unless a post-Relics Scotty only told Spock?

 

[Citiprime]

Another one:
Kelvin Timeline by the time '09 ends, has more advanced tech than the 25th century in Picard's (S3) time.

If I remember correctly, Abrams and the writers explained that in interviews.

I believe in the backstory (which was used in some of the prequel comics), Nero outfitted the Narada with Borg technology. The production team's conjecture (which was also meant to explain the aesthetic differences between the Prime and Kelvin timelines) was that scans of the Narada done by the Kelvin before its destruction allowed Starfleet to make significant technological leaps in the 23rd century which made the Kelvin Timeline significantly more advanced than the Prime Timeline earlier in its history.

For example, I believe Kirk's Enterprise in the Kelvin Timeline is supposed to be larger than the Enterprise-D. And if the Kelvin Enterprise is that big, just think how big that would make the Vengeance. Someone worked out the numbers, and the scale would make it similar in size to an Imperial Star Destroyer from Star Wars.

 

[cooleddie74]

And an Imperial Star Destroyer is more or less exactly 1 mile long.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Nero's ship must've been something special.

Also, transwarp beaming seems to suggest that the Starfleet of the KT are embracing technology that the Starfleet of the PT didn't want to touch. Unless a post-Relics Scotty only told Spock?

Bear with me:
Future Janeway in Endgame brought back 2404 tech to 2378.
Romulus destroyed 2387, so Starfleet of 2378 had around 9 years of combing through 2404 tech.
2404 tech with Narada goes back to 2233.04, Starfleet of KT gets 2404 refined tech by sensor data from the USS Kelvin.
2233.04 SF then refines 2404 tech till 2259, another 26 years of development of 2404 tech.
So Kelvin Timeline is operating on 35 years of post 2404 tech, or tech of 2439!
I have put too much thought into this since 2009.

Edit: Citiprime, I just replied as you did lol. But yes you are absolutely correct on that data as well!

 

[HotRod]

Sure, the ships got bigger, but was the tech really that advanced?

What did the Enterprise do in the film that was anymore advanced than anything the TOS Enterprise did? Was it faster? Or was it just following the recent trend of ships moving at the speed of the plot? Weapons certainly didn't seem that impressive. Same with shields. Transwarp beaming? OK, but was that due to the Narada, or had Scotty just never figured out the math?

Seems to me a Starfleet didn't necessarily gain that much advanced technology, they just freaked the fuck out when a giant ship appeared out of nowhere and kicked the shit outta one of their ships, so they beefed up their newer ship designs to be less likely to be absolutely decimated should that big bastard show up again.

 

[StarTrek1701]

Sure, the ships got bigger, but was the tech really that advanced?

What did the Enterprise do in the film that was anymore advanced than anything the TOS Enterprise did? Was it faster? Or was it just following the recent trend of ships moving at the speed of the plot? Weapons certainly didn't seem that impressive. Same with shields. Transwarp beaming? OK, but was that due to the Narada, or had Scotty just never figured out the math?

Seems to me a Starfleet didn't necessarily gain that much advanced technology, they just freaked the fuck out when a giant ship appeared out of nowhere and kicked the shit outta one of their ships, so they beefed up their newer ship designs to be less likely to be absolutely decimated should that big bastard show up again.

Oh yeah bigger isn't always better. SF did get a boost though, they built ships on Earth and then put them in orbit! That's impressive!

 

[Citiprime]

Sure, the ships got bigger, but was the tech really that advanced?

What did the Enterprise do in the film that was anymore advanced than anything the TOS Enterprise did? Was it faster? Or was it just following the recent trend of ships moving at the speed of the plot? Weapons certainly didn't seem that impressive. Same with shields. Transwarp beaming? OK, but was that due to the Narada, or had Scotty just never figured out the math?

Seems to me a Starfleet didn't necessarily gain that much advanced technology, they just freaked the fuck out when a giant ship appeared out of nowhere and kicked the shit outta one of their ships, so they beefed up their newer ship designs to be less likely to be absolutely decimated should that big bastard show up again.

Unless it’s to be written off as “speed of plot” and it was longer and we somehow just don’t see it, warp drive seems either to work much faster or to work in a much different way that seems to rival wormhole transit.

The Enterprise and Vengeance go from basically Qo’noS to Earth within what seems to be minutes in Into Darkness and the fleet sent to Vulcan in (2009) seems able to make it from Earth to Vulcan in a very short period of time too.

Also, if I remember right, Marcus’s original plan was for the Enterprise to bombard Qo’noS with photon torpedoes from the edge of the Neutral Zone, which should be light-years away. And the Yorktown Starbase seems much more advanced than any Federation space station that we’ve ever seen in the Prime Timeline.

 

[fireproof78]

Seems to me a Starfleet didn't necessarily gain that much advanced technology, they just freaked the fuck out when a giant ship appeared out of nowhere and kicked the shit outta one of their ships, so they beefed up their newer ship designs to be less likely to be absolutely decimated should that big bastard show up again.

Exactly my thoughts. Starfleet basically ramped up size of their ships to address a specific Romulan threat, probably due both the size and a Romulan War that would spark fears of another war.

 

[fireproof78]

Unless it’s to be written off as “speed of plot” and it was longer and we somehow just don’t see it, warp drive seems either to work much faster or to work in a much different way that seems to rival wormhole transit.

To me it was always speed of plot. McCoy had time to change uniforms, and the Enterprise just goes to the Klingon border, which is in line with Enterprise.

 

[Nyotarules]

Unless it’s to be written off as “speed of plot” and it was longer and we somehow just don’t see it, warp drive seems either to work much faster or to work in a much different way that seems to rival wormhole transit.

The Enterprise and Vengeance go from basically Qo’noS to Earth within what seems to be minutes in Into Darkness and the fleet sent to Vulcan in (2009) seems able to make it from Earth to Vulcan in a very short period of time too.

Also, if I remember right, Marcus’s original plan was for the Enterprise to bombard Qo’noS with photon torpedoes from the edge of the Neutral Zone, which should be light-years away. And the Yorktown Starbase seems much more advanced than any Federation space station that we’ve ever seen in the Prime Timeline.

I blame Kelvin Daniels. He went back in time and boosted everything, including a Federation wormhole between Earth ad Vulcan and Earth and Kronos.