Why is toxic fandom destroying everything?
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No vodka or Dark Web skullduggery was necessary to tarnish that film, or The Rise of Skywalker. 
Indeed. LFL repeatedly gassed SW into a brick wall, reversed and gassed it again with no external influence.No vodka or Dark Web skullduggery was necessary to tarnish that film, or The Rise of Skywalker.
Better than Phantom Menace, which isn't saying a lot but I'll take it over Lucas' efforts of digital filmmaking experimentation.No vodka or Dark Web skullduggery was necessary to tarnish that film, or The Rise of Skywalker.
The Hobbit - First vs. Second Edition (Modern Editions) Reading
A while back I picked up the facsimile of the first edition of The Hobbit.
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You can use the "find" function here, but there are references to things like trains and policemen and stuff
Police? As a word exists since the 15th century.
The Hobbit - First vs. Second Edition (Modern Editions) Reading
A while back I picked up the facsimile of the first edition of The Hobbit.
You can use the "find" function here, but there are references to things like trains and policemen and stuff
Train could be reference to a robe or dress.
Not sure it's quite the modern experience interpreted as we might from our contemporary perspective.
Interesting, I never really thought about how much stuff like that doesn't really fit the more medieval style of most of the books. It seems to all be involving the Hobbits, so maybe they just happen to be advanced than the rest of Middle Earth. Not really sure if I'd count things like the train reference, since that was part of the third person narration, and was just for us modern readers, and necessarily meant to actually fit in Middle Earth.
Indeed.
And it's not really a period piece but an imaginary time with a wide variation of technology and capabilities of various races. It's unique in taking multiple ideas from mythology and folk lore and adding in Tolkien's own love of the rural countryside to create an English spin on different facets of lore.
Add in his own idea that some of the tales came from translating the Red Book and I think anachronistic references could be considered an aspect of translation.
From TV Tropes:
... And here's a friendly reminder that The Rise of Skywalker, while mediocre, is still the best Sequel Trilogy Episode.
Early-Installment Weirdness - The Hobbit: In general, seems like a somewhat fanciful children's tale compared to The Lord of the Rings; Tolkien hadn't even decided it was going to take place in the context of his wider mythology when he originally wrote it. Although modern editions have removed some of the incongruences, earlier versions have oddities like a railroad in the Shire, and Bilbo musing about taking a trip to China.
... And here's a friendly reminder that The Rise of Skywalker, while mediocre, is still the best Sequel Trilogy Episode.
From TV Tropes:
Early-Installment Weirdness - The Hobbit: In general, seems like a somewhat fanciful children's tale compared to The Lord of the Rings; Tolkien hadn't even decided it was going to take place in the context of his wider mythology when he originally wrote it. Although modern editions have removed some of the incongruences, earlier versions have oddities like a railroad in the Shire, and Bilbo musing about taking a trip to China.
... And here's a friendly reminder that The Rise of Skywalker, while mediocre, is still the best Sequel Trilogy Episode.
I love how folks still complain about the "They fly now?" line in ROTS but they were fine with Dune Part 2 having flying Harkonnen troopers.
That was the least of my issues with Episode IX.
So what, if they'd said nothing and just had the troopers flying the complainers wouldn't have just complained they could fly at all?
The Hobbit - First vs. Second Edition (Modern Editions) Reading
A while back I picked up the facsimile of the first edition of The Hobbit.
You can use the "find" function here, but there are references to things like trains and policemen and stuff
I would like to get my hands on the first edition Hobbit at this point, but after looking at that article what stands out to me are how some of the references to other, more specific, elements of middle earth changed between editions, presumably as Tolkien's understanding of Middle Earth evolved. There is no context for how the words football, golf, and trains are used but those words have existed at least back to the 1400s and variations of football have been played since before English was a language. The term they do mention "policemen" was meant to used in its context as administrative or government workers and is just referring to how the world there is outside of any administrative jurisdiction.
I would suggest that those words and references were removed for the second edition, not because they would be out of place in a nonindustrial society but rather because he wanted to remove specific "real world" references from the work--which may have been your original point and, if so, I apologize.
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That's part of the issue. Too many fans can't take criticism of their criticisms well
Sure but that's a learning process right? We are not professionals or have a lot of experience in dealing with criticism. We're not in person making eye contact and talking things out.
Fans not taking criticism is a tale as old as time. Not taking it personally requires more skill, and patience on the part of both parties.
The goal should be an exchange of ideas not a competition. But that requires work.
I have never heard anyone complain about flying stormtroopers in Rise of Skywalker.
I think RoS is one of the worst movies I've ever seen in my life and I didn't even notice it had flying stormtroopers.
Plus, didn't Moff Gideon's troopers have jetpacks in Mando season 3, too? Because I loved that season.
I actually thought the jetpack troopers were kind of cool. It was the first time it felt like Disney had introduced something 'new' to the trilogy in terms of technological progression. Just like new troopers had been shown off in ESB, with the snowtroopers and jungle troopers. When I saw them, I just considered them a new variation to suit a new environment, thus it didn't bother me too much.
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