I recall that comparison for the Kelvin Enterprise bridge and I strained my eyes from the eye roll. I have been in a couple of Apple Stores; no, it didn't look like it. It's a terrible short hand description as well as inaccurate.
How do/did you feel about the return of the Enterprise-D?
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Isn't "Apple Store" just code for "I don't like it"?
This reminds me that as the years go by, I actually like Generations more and more. Of course, All Good Things is the superior of the two scripts Moore and Braga wrote simultaneously, but GEN doesn't deserve a lot of the hate it gets.
Which one of these things is not like the other? Which one of these things just doesn't belong?
I get more of an Apple Store vibe from the pervasive use of white in the corridors of the Kelvin Enterprise and the SNW Enterprise. Never understood why people pointed to the Bridge set.
Reading through this thread and it's recent replies, I'm inclined to agree with at least some of what's being said about Picard Season 3 having relied a bit too much on nostalgia and fanservice... or may have.
I remember when they dropped one of the trailers for Season 3, they ended it by playing the TNG theme and listing the names of the TNG principle cast one by one! That really excited me and hit me in the feels! Not as much as the Enterprise D reveal but that aside, it was great having the whole TNG head crew on screen again for the first time since Nemesis.
My thing is though, if they relied too heavily on fanservice at least they gave them a far better send-off than what happened in Nemesis. "All Good Things..." ended with all seven of them playing poker. "The Last Generation" ended the same way. It should stay that way now. It was LOADS of fun seeing the D again and the TNG main crew ride her one last time but please, no more new Trek with the TNG cast.
Even before the Enterprise D's return in the finale, I enjoyed Season 3 more than the first two seasons. I just hate to stomach the idea that it wouldn't have been AS good without the whole TNG crew and the D back again. But man was I glad to see the D one last time.
I remember when they dropped one of the trailers for Season 3, they ended it by playing the TNG theme and listing the names of the TNG principle cast one by one! That really excited me and hit me in the feels! Not as much as the Enterprise D reveal but that aside, it was great having the whole TNG head crew on screen again for the first time since Nemesis.
My thing is though, if they relied too heavily on fanservice at least they gave them a far better send-off than what happened in Nemesis. "All Good Things..." ended with all seven of them playing poker. "The Last Generation" ended the same way. It should stay that way now. It was LOADS of fun seeing the D again and the TNG main crew ride her one last time but please, no more new Trek with the TNG cast.
Even before the Enterprise D's return in the finale, I enjoyed Season 3 more than the first two seasons. I just hate to stomach the idea that it wouldn't have been AS good without the whole TNG crew and the D back again. But man was I glad to see the D one last time.
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Yeah. I was going to sit this round out, but there's one thing I want to respond to, then I'm out. (Famous last words...) Until the next time this starts up again. Whenever that is.
Putting aside that resurrection happens in science-fiction all the time, including Star Trek, that's still a valid viewpoint to have if someone views the Enterprise as a character. However, that's not a viewpoint I have. I'm NOT going to ask you to change your mind, but I am going to present the other side of the argument.
I view the Enterprise as something important to the characters, but not an actual character. I don't attribute personhood to the Enterprise. I always refer to it as "it" not "her". To me, the Enterprise-D was like a car that was totaled. Starfleet thought it wasn't worth it to fix. Geordi seems to me like the type who wouldn't accept that and I can see him as the type who would spend 20 years restoring it. Because it took 20 years, it's something I'll go along with, given how extensive the damage was. If he fixed it in something like a year, I wouldn't have gone along with it.
My godbrother restores old cars as a hobby, mostly cars from the '70s, so this is something that's within my extended family. And probably why I view it with that mentality.
That's the reason why I call it the Enterprise-D Rebuild. And I would say the Enterprise-D Rebuild is more of the original Enterprise-D than the Enterprise-Refit was of the original Enterprise NCC-1701. "Admiral, this is an almost totally new Enterprise!"
I wonder what you think of the Enterprise-A being a look-alike of the Enterprise-Reft, effectively making the end of TVH a Reset Button? I also wonder what you think of Sisko getting a replacement Defiant that looks just like the old one at the very end of DS9? Which is also a Reset Button.
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TBF, the Defiant changeover happened at practically the end of the series; I don't think anyone would have expected anything different (especially with their budget shortfall), and I don't really know what else they were supposed to do. No ship for Our Heroes at all? Fight the Dominion in the runabouts (a good callback to the earlier days of the series, but not especially realistic)?
The angle I was going in with that question was to see if he would've preferred for them to have a different class ship (which wouldn't have worked in-budget) or still the same class ship but leave the new ship's original name: the Sao Paulo?
Ross did promise Sisko in "The Changing Face of Evil" that he would get him another ship. So, it was always a guarantee they'd have a ship in time for the Series Finale. But it could've just as easily have been some crazy souped-up version of the Defiant Class.
BTW, what Geordi did with the Enterprise-D Rebuild is what they call in the auto repair industry a "cut and shut": welding the back half of one car onto the front of the other. These are usually flimsier than the original whole cars. Luckily, the Galaxy Class was designed to separate in half to begin with.
But it really couldn't have been when TPTB were going to be limited to using stock footage for the Defiant in WYLB...or using nothing at all.
They even ended Picard on a poker game. The biggest admission that we already had the perfect ending. And the Sky's the limit...
"All Good Things" hit differently for me in 1994 than DS9, VOY, and DSC later would. ("What about ENT?" I didn't watch that series first-run.) When I was watching "All Good Things", I knew it wasn't really the end because TNG would be going to movies. I read that as the end of one phase of TNG. Not the entire thing. With DS9 and VOY, I didn't expect to see any more. With DSC, I'm hoping for a TV Movie that will address something very specific, but I'm not holding my breath.
I look at "TNG" as TNG, the movies, and PIC. Just like I look at "TOS" as TOS, TAS, and the movies. But that's only in my opinion. One group of people can have "All Good Things" as the swan song to TNG, another group can have Nemesis be the swan song, and a third group can have the end of PIC be the swan song. Roddenberry Purists like TGT can cut it off when Gene Roddenberry died. Whatever works for the individual. We're not the Borg.
TNG ended its TV run with "All Good Things", but I joke that TNG ended its film run on Streaming TV.
The Enterprise-A is my favorite Enterprise, but I still did get a kick out of seeing the Enterprise-D when it came to this particular group of characters. And yes, I also liked seeing the E-D move in ways that wouldn't have been possible in TNG itself.
I look at "TNG" as TNG, the movies, and PIC. Just like I look at "TOS" as TOS, TAS, and the movies. But that's only in my opinion. One group of people can have "All Good Things" as the swan song to TNG, another group can have Nemesis be the swan song, and a third group can have the end of PIC be the swan song. Roddenberry Purists like TGT can cut it off when Gene Roddenberry died. Whatever works for the individual. We're not the Borg.
TNG ended its TV run with "All Good Things", but I joke that TNG ended its film run on Streaming TV.
The Enterprise-A is my favorite Enterprise, but I still did get a kick out of seeing the Enterprise-D when it came to this particular group of characters. And yes, I also liked seeing the E-D move in ways that wouldn't have been possible in TNG itself.
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TNG ended its TV run with "All Good Things", but I joke that TNG ended its film run on Streaming TV.
That's exactly how I look at Picard season 3.
As TNG's 5th movie. With all the conceits that would go into giving them a 5th movie.
Is there a reason people aren't going to watch the Academy series?
Assuming the answer is "iTs A tEeN DrAMa AnD nOt tru StaR TREK" then having the Enterprise D be the a training ship would not change anyone's mind who had already written off the show for that reason.
They're Starfleet Cadets in the very-late-32nd Century. They should be trained on state-of-the-art ships. It makes no sense to train them on the Enterprise-D. The ONLY use the E-D bridge would serve is if there's a simulation for a History Class focusing on the 24th Century... and something like that was already done in Prodigy. I'd rather they NOT do that again. And I'm the one who's defending the E-D in PIC S3, so if I don't think it should be in SFA, that's saying something.
I know some people IRL who are interested in Starfleet Academy because of Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti. People who I wouldn't really call fans. I haven't seen Hunter or Giamatti in anything -- that I recall -- so I'm interested to see what the big deal is.
Then there are the characters I already know from Discovery, and one other character who it makes sense to have back. So, as it stands right now, I'm there for the adult characters. I'm sure I'll like the cadets too, but that's the biggest unknown.
I know some people IRL who are interested in Starfleet Academy because of Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti. People who I wouldn't really call fans. I haven't seen Hunter or Giamatti in anything -- that I recall -- so I'm interested to see what the big deal is.
Then there are the characters I already know from Discovery, and one other character who it makes sense to have back. So, as it stands right now, I'm there for the adult characters. I'm sure I'll like the cadets too, but that's the biggest unknown.
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It seemed to be quite popular that the ISS Enterprise would be good in the role of training ship. I'm sure a few here have pointed out that modern naval cadets often train on older sailing ships, mainly for discipline and tradition, but still a worthwhile education
Plus, set reusage between SFA and SNW, and a nice link between eras.
Plus, set reusage between SFA and SNW, and a nice link between eras.
I have a different reason for being hesitant about it. I'm hearing impaired (it's relatively mild loss and many times I'm fine even without hearing aids but for softer speech I need them) myself. I always wanted to see a future where disabled people were cured. Then Alex Kurtzman says they are having a deaf character in the show (unless I misread the interview or whatever), and I'm like--they're taking away even my hope for a cure in the fantasy 32nd century? I'm supposed to be the disabled people they're supposedly representing, and I WANT to see a cure for myself in the future (and the disabled people I know or know of feel the same way. Christopher Reeves was begging for funding for stem cell research until he died). They're misreading the audience they claim they're trying to attract.
Because everybody knows that nobody wants to watch a teen drama by that hack Alex Kurtzman. Even if the show is loaded with unbelievable talent, probably one of the most talented cast we've ever seen in Star Trek. No, the real fans of Star Trek demand a show by Terry Matalas, the one true visionary showrunner who can save Star Trek by falling back on plots and characters from the god damn 90's! Who cares what modern audiences want! Terry showed the New Jersey looking like it did in the 60's. This is all the proof we fans should need that he is who we should be following! If it isn't a show based on a scribble on a napkin by the Lord Matalas, it's certainly doomed to fail. It's Terry or Bust! #savestartrek #interrywetrust #startreklegacy #captainseven
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I kept thinking they'd turn the ISS Enterprise into the Enterprise-X or something. Has it been six months yet? No? All I'll say is, I think it makes the most sense to have the ISS Enterprise as a Museum Piece.
I don't doubt there might be cadets who train on an older sailing ship IRL. But I would think that would be for an assignment, not for a semester. I'm not seeing it.
The furthest I'll go is I think we'll see images from previous Star Trek shows when teaching the cadets about the history of the Federation. That would make sense, but that's all I'm expecting to see.
If we're going to see a ship from another Star Trek series in Starfleet Academy, I think it'll be the Discovery. There's no way it won't show up at least once before the series ends. Maybe the Voyager-J as well. If we see an Enterprise, it'll be the Enterprise of that time.
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