That's what irritated me about that particular plot point.
A bold move would've been to assimilate the TNG crew too. It would've forced Picard into the position of being completely and utterly alone.
How do/did you feel about the return of the Enterprise-D?
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That's what irritated me about that particular plot point.
A bold move would've been to assimilate the TNG crew too. It would've forced Picard into the position of being completely and utterly alone.
I like this, but it would also fee a bit like a repeat of First Contact.
I do like the idea of him going in to the Borg Collective and risking assimilation to rescue Jack, so maybe he has to go through and rescue each crew member in some personal way? Kind of a reflection of what Data does in conquering Lore?
Nemesis was a rehashing of The Wrath of Khan. It's not as if this is new territory for them.
It would've taken too much time.
What kind of message does that plotline send to the show's Millennial and Gen Z viewers? The young cannot be trusted? (It's the old sixties slogan turned on its head: "Don't trust anyone under 25.")
A better method would've been to prioritize who needed saving first in order to save the others ("The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few ... or The One.")
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True enough. And First Contact had some beats similar to Wrath of Khan, so, again, not new territory.Nemesis was a rehashing of The Wrath of Khan. It's not as if this is new territory for them.
I think finding the source and going to it, but having a mix of old and young so it's now so "young people can't be trusted" level messaging.
Love the return of the Enterprise D in Picard. They (showrunners/producers/creators/etc...) gave the ship and cast/crew the farewell treatment. A good end to the story and closing that era. Picard, thank you! It's time for a new captain, bring on Seven of 9...
It was cotton candy. Fluffy and not filling at all. It felt good for a moment but it’s not a long lasting feeling at all. I might feel different in a few years when I rewatch the season.
YMMV, but I've rewatched the season a few times already, and it's a long lasting feeling to me. I tear up every time I watch that scene.
The fan boy in me did love see the D bombing about in ways that we never saw with the model work. It looked nice. But fundamentally... no. No. No.
You killed Picard and replaced him with a replica. The Enterprise D lost her life in a story about loss and moving on... bringing it back undermines the entire story of the end of TNG and Generations. It cheats death.
And it's just absurd. The saucer was beyond repair, they said that in Generations. The thought of Geordi fixing an entire saucer section is insulting. Then half the ship isn't even the Enterprise, it's another ship entirely. It's not the Enterprise D at the end of the day.
To paraphrase Bashir. "It may look like the Enterprise, it may even talk like the Enterprise, but it won't be the Enterprise."
You killed Picard and replaced him with a replica. The Enterprise D lost her life in a story about loss and moving on... bringing it back undermines the entire story of the end of TNG and Generations. It cheats death.
And it's just absurd. The saucer was beyond repair, they said that in Generations. The thought of Geordi fixing an entire saucer section is insulting. Then half the ship isn't even the Enterprise, it's another ship entirely. It's not the Enterprise D at the end of the day.
To paraphrase Bashir. "It may look like the Enterprise, it may even talk like the Enterprise, but it won't be the Enterprise."
I may have said it elsewhere in this thread, but I'm still bothered by the message that I feel this and S3 in general sends that once you reach a certain age the best you can hope for is more adventures with people you knew when you were younger, versus forming any significant new bonds with new people and, for lack of a better way of putting it, 'exploring strange new worlds' with them.
It's just one season about old friends, its really not worth getting hung up over.
There are other seasons from Picard, SNW, DSC, PRO and LD that are about forming new bonds and exploring new worlds. You'll likely see new bonds being formed in SFA and Parks and Treks too. Fear not
Who's hung up about it? I barely even think about it except when I'm already talking about Star Trek with people.It's just one season about old friends, its really not worth getting hung up over.
There are other seasons from Picard, SNW, DSC, PRO and LD that are about forming new bonds and exploring new worlds. You'll likely see new bonds being formed in SFA and Parks and Treks too. Fear not
What gets me the most was that dramatic music when the Syra-prise pulls a Millennium Falcon as she's being flown into the Borg cube, dodging laser blasts as Data navigates his way to the core to find the beacon. That, and the ship hovering over Riker, Worf, Picard, and Jack until they're safely back on board to fly out of there like a bat out of hell, is interesting because none of this would've been feasible during TNG's original production in the late 80s and early 90s... and I don't think the fact that TNG (like every other television show back then) was filmed using the 4:3 picture format would've helped matters at all.
I suppose it's interesting because there's the dynamic of incorporating nostalgia but in modern ways.
Man, I always loved TNG. I have been hooked on TNG since I was, like, around 2 or 4 years old. I was born right in the middle of it's original run. So Star Trek: The Next Generation holds a very special place in my heart to this day. It's kind of interesting to think that when I was a baby, TNG was airing new episodes.
Granted, when DS9 premiered in 1992 my mom tried to get me to watch it but I could never get into DS9 back then. Sure, I do remember watching a scene or two (I strongly remember seeing a scene of Eddington blasting Kira with a phaser) and I remember I had a Quark figure. But in the end I rejected DS9 because it wasn't TNG and I didn't like the design of that station. Regrettably I was too young to appreciate DS9 but now that I watch reruns of it on H&I I find myself not giving it a chance back then.
I mean, all this discussion for another thread but I say all that to say you and I are kind of the opposite in that regard. But seeing the Syra-prise in "Võx" and "The Last Generation" had me feeling like it was the early 90s again and those were new episodes of Star Trek: The Next Generation but in movie-like widescreen format.
Boom-chicka-BOW-WOWWWWW...
It has that unfortunate tone, but I don't think its intentional. I think it's meant as a congratulatory sort of relevance to this crew that has done a lot, but I think it struggles with the execution at times.
If I may wax a little philosophical, if overdramatic, I think that the biggest goal was to celebrate the Enterprise-D crew in a way that highlighted their talents. Picard in bringing people together, Worf in combat, Riker's quick thinking, Geordi's engineering skills, etc. The cherry on top being the "we are the crew of the Enterprise" moment.
What it unfortunately does, again unintentionally, is say that these are the people best suited to address the crisis at hand with anyone else being either compromised or unhelpful (Ro, Shaw, Shelby). It also feels like this is the best place to make a difference is on the Enterprise.
And, well, it feels like Glory Days should play over it sometimes.
The fact that the crisis that precipitates the need for the E-D even arises in the first place (by which I mean their ships being so inextricably networked together) raises serious questions for me about Starfleet's overall competence. It's not at all helped by the fact that Prodigy does almost exactly the same thing at the end of S1. I know that's not intentional either, but that doesn't make it any less groan-worthy.
I was never really a fan of the D so maybe that’s why it didn’t hit that hard. It was nice and that’s about it.
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