She's was often sad that her brother disappeared aboard the ill fated Liberty 1 spacecraft.
Whatever happened to the characters after TUC/GEN?
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With Yeoman Landon's great-great grandfather.
sovjet not russian - in pavel's personal timeline there is no gorbatchev
I don’t think Chekov ever said “Soviet” in any of his “history “ lessons.
leningrad is soviet, don't you think?
when the klingons bombed pearl harbor?
It’s the former name of a city in the former Soviet Union and an oblast in the Russian Federation. And in use at the time TOS was being produced . Point is Chekov never uses “Soviet” as a descriptor when speaking of his homeland. Which I find interesting. But IIRC, it was rarely used in entertainment products
he never uses st. petersburg (which would be russian). and while the oblast is still called leningrad oblast it would be of no sense to call it ljust leningrad. so pavel is either a diehard commie (as such the federation would hardly 'employ' him) or in his timeline the soviet union still exists.
... i guess we found the earliest prove that it is indeed a multiverse
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Again, the point is he never uses "Soviet" not that he uses a then current name (and Soviet name) for Leningrad/St Petersburg. The use of which shows Star Trek is hit and miss at predicting the future.
As a Socialist Utopia, I'm sure Comrade Chekov would be welcome with open arms by the United Federation of Planets.
then current would be during pavel's lifetime, wouldn't it? it's a paralell universe!Again, the point is he never uses "Soviet" not that he uses a then current name (and Soviet name) for Leningrad/St Petersburg. The use of which shows Star Trek is hit and miss at predicting the future.
As a Socialist Utopia, I'm sure Comrade Chekov would be welcome with open arms by the United Federation of Planets.
No, the 1960s when TOS was produced.
that's a different timeline as in thatone the city is still called leningrad in the 23rd century and we do know it ain't.
q.e.d.
Eh?
I love this board . . . I never thought of Chekov's line as problematic for 40+ years until now. I wonder if this is going to have to join my "Lines of TOS Dialogue I Just Can't Reconcile List" (which @ZapBrannigan trimmed by one a few months ago with his brilliant take on "Someone's beaming down from the bridge" in "Shore Leave"). I mean, there's no way TOS's Earth leaves "Leningrad" in place, right? Enh, maybe Chekov's reference just comes from a time before that of TOS when Scotch was invented. Yup, false alarm; that works for me.
Thanks for the nod, Phaser Two!
In Chekov's day, "Leningrad" might be the joking, ironic name of the red-light district in Saint Petersburg. He's thinking about playing with Mudd's fembots, which would hardly call any whole city to mind. But it could suggest the city street you sneak off to on shore leave to get some action.
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'an old woman in leningrad'? sure, if you say so
for the record: i could'nt give less of a rat's ass about all his leningrad lines i just couldn't resist the temptation to stirr up some dirt in the multiverse dept.
First, you're very welcome for the shoutout! It was well deserved.
I had actually forgotten about the "I, Mudd" line but your explanation works for me there as well. And as I believe one or more posters pointed out upthread, that's still the name of the oblast surrounding St. Petersburg today, and it might remain so in the 2200s. We can assume further urban agglomeration, and so Chekov could be recalling any, uh, intriguing experience he had in that region.
'an old woman in leningrad'? sure, if you say so
for the record: i could'nt give less of a rat's ass about all his leningrad lines i just couldn't resist the temptation to stirr up some dirt in the multiverse dept.
Like me, I think you forgot about the "I, Mudd" line and were only thinking of the little old lady who allegedly invented Scotch from "The Trouble With Tribbles." If Chekov has other Leningrad references, I've forgotten them as well. I believe he refers to Minsk in "Who Mourns for Adonais" in a similar historical reference (who wrote about the Cheshire Cat) that isn't problematic.
And you may not care about these things, but some of us do, so thanks all the same for raising them.
you're welcome - it's always nice to be of serviceAnd you may not care about these things, but some of us do, so thanks all the same for raising them.
Perhaps Leningrad was the subject of many a limerick. ("There was an old lady from Leningrad...")
But there's another non-Chekov reference; in STIV, Leningrad is mentioned in the same context as Tokyo and Juneau, as cities/locations the whale probe is affecting.
But there's another non-Chekov reference; in STIV, Leningrad is mentioned in the same context as Tokyo and Juneau, as cities/locations the whale probe is affecting.
This is actually an ongoing plot point in the Schwarzenegger movie "Red Heat."
Or the city was renamed without the Soviet Union actually re-emerging.
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