Why are Star Trek fans made fun of more than Star Wars fans in popular culture?

[Lynx]

That no matter where you start in life, no matter how low your beginnings, it can still be possible to change the world (or Galaxy in this case).

Look, I’m not a Star Wars fan by any measure, but I still wouldn’t say it’s lacking in a measure. Through the original trilogy there’s also the whole ‘sins of the Father’ thing going on.

The binary argument presented (generally, not by you specifically) that Star Trek is smart and Star Wars is dumb, only works if we also ignore the many times that Star Trek is dumb, or that Star Wars is smart.

Huh! This is weird!

I know that I have written the comment which you quoted.

But not in this thread but another thread, most likely in the DS9 forum about how DS9 would be if it was made today.

And it had nothing to do with Star Wars, it was a common reflection from me about series and movies made in recent years.

And I can't find it in this thread or any other thread either. It is as if I never wrote it.

Either I was tired yesterday morning and posyted it here by mesitake, or you have quoted it from another thread and by mistake posted it here, or som technical glitch has happened.

But to adress the current issue: First of all, I have never ever stated that Star Wars is dumb. To be honest, I actually like Star Wars too even if Star Trek is my favorite when it comes to SF series and movies.

Sometimes I've toyed with the idea of writing a crossover story where a lost Starfleet ship ends up "in a galaxy far, far away" and run into Luke Skywalker and his gang or Darth Vader.

And Yoda is my favorite among the Star Wars characters. Sometimes I use a Yoda speech generator when I post Star Wars related things.

Star Wars is maybe more mainstream than Star Trek and has for different reasons become more popular but that don't make me negative to Star Wars in any way.

As a matter of fact, I like Stargate too, at least Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis but not Stargate Universe.

The only critical thing I can say or write about Star Wars is that even that series have been affected with the same sinking quality and doom-and-gloom scenarios as every serie and movie in this century. But this affects all TV series and movies nowadays, not only Star Wars.

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Huh! This is weird!

I know that I have written the comment which you quoted.

But not in this thread but another thread, most likely in the DS9 forum about how DS9 would be if it was made today.

And it had nothing to do with Star Wars, it was a common reflection from me about series and movies made in recent years.

And I can't find it in this thread or any other thread either. It is as if I never wrote it.

Either I was tired yesterday morning and posyted it here by mesitake, or you have quoted it from another thread and by mistake posted it here, or som technical glitch has happened.

But to adress the current issue: First of all, I have never ever stated that Star Wars is dumb. To be honest, I actually like Star Wars too even if Star Trek is my favorite when it comes to SF series and movies.

Sometimes I've toyed with the idea of writing a crossover story where a lost Starfleet ship ends up "in a galaxy far, far away" and run into Luke Skywalker and his gang or Darth Vader.

And Yoda is my favorite among the Star Wars characters. Sometimes I use a Yoda speech generator when I post Star Wars related things.

Star Wars is maybe more mainstream than Star Trek and has for different reasons become more popular but that don't make me negative to Star Wars in any way.

As a matter of fact, I like Stargate too, at least Stargate SG-1 and Stargate Atlantis but not Stargate Universe.

The only critical thing I can say or write about Star Wars is that even that series have been affected with the same sinking quality and doom-and-gloom scenarios as every serie and movie in this century. But this affects all TV series and movies nowadays, not only Star Wars.

Friend, I am so sorry. I messed up the multi quote across threads I think.

That post was directed towards a different poster in a the thread. A friendly answer to a friendly question.

It was not directed towards you, nor did I ever accuse you of anything, directly or indirectly.

I did say I was speaking very generally, but there is a general tone of intellectual superiority that surrounds certain ideas in fandom. It all started with Roddenberry’s tale about The Cage being ‘too cerebral’.

 

[fireproof78]

It all started with Roddenberry’s tale about The Cage being ‘too cerebral’

Which, in of itself, is a misunderstanding as Nimoy talks about in "I Am Spock," stating the executives were worried that audiences would not emotionally connect with the characters due to their presentation and would only know them from a facts basis. Of course, Roddenberry ran with it later on with Trek as a prediction of the Future, and how it inspired the tech,, even if it didn't. But the reputation stuck.

 

[Lynx]

Friend, I am so sorry. I messed up the multi quote across threads I think.

That post was directed towards a different poster in a the thread. A friendly answer to a friendly question.

It was not directed towards you, nor did I ever accuse you of anything, directly or indirectly.

I did say I was speaking very generally, but there is a general tone of intellectual superiority that surrounds certain ideas in fandom. It all started with Roddenberry’s tale about The Cage being ‘too cerebral’.

No problem!

And I never saw your comment unfriendly or hostile in any way.

I was just confused how a comment I wrote in one thread all of a sudden happened to appear in a thread in which i hadn't commented.

And I have actually managed to mess up some multi quote myself at some point.

Anyway, I got the chance to express my liking for both Star Trek and Star Wars.

 

[fireproof78]

Because both franchises have something creative to offer.

 

[mb22]

I did say I was speaking very generally, but there is a general tone of intellectual superiority that surrounds certain ideas in fandom. It all started with Roddenberry’s tale about The Cage being ‘too cerebral’.

Or perhaps the earliest publicity about Trek, which played up it's being science fiction "for adults" -- the others no doubt being the contemporary Lost in Space, as well as earlier kid-oriented shows from the 1950s and Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon serials from the 1930s.

 

[cooleddie74]

An early NBC promo ad for TOS referred to it as "the first adult" science fiction drama series.

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[Richard S. Ta]

Or perhaps the earliest publicity about Trek, which played up it's being science fiction "for adults" -- the others no doubt being the contemporary Lost in Space, as well as earlier kid-oriented shows from the 1950s and Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon serials from the 1930s.

It’s always had a bit of that surrounding it, hasn’t it? Justifiably so in some cases. TOS was generally of a better quality than Lost in Space…

But yes, there’s a sense of elitism that come with the name in certain quarters of fandom which could put off casual viewers in a way that Star Wars does not.

 

[Lynx]

It’s always had a bit of that surrounding it, hasn’t it? Justifiable so in some cases. TOS was generally of a better quality than Lost in Space…

But yes, there’s a sense of elitism that come with the name in certain quarters of fandom which could put off casual viewers in a way that Star Wars does not.

I would rather say that Star Trek might be too complicated and too thoughtful for those who just want excitement and adventures.

Some people might prefer action and adventures where thereare good guys and bad guys while mant Trek fans appreciate the more tjoughtful stories with characters who are in a grayzone between good and bad.

Had complex characters like Garak and Dukat been possible in more action and adventure oriented series?

 

[Richard S. Ta]

Had complex characters like Garak and Dukat been possible in more action and adventure oriented series?

Sure. Han Solo and Lando Calrissian exist within that morally grey area.

 

[fireproof78]

Had complex characters like Garak and Dukat been possible in more action and adventure oriented series?

Absolutely. Being action/adventure doesn't mean eschewing complex storytelling or characters. Kirk was not always right or existed in some gray areas.

 

[Commander Troi]

An early NBC promo ad for TOS referred to it as "the first adult" science fiction drama series.

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Maybe that was part of the problem: with ST considered "adult" and SW considered "for kids", we, as kids, were uncool for liking the "adult" show.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Maybe that was part of the problem: with ST considered "adult" and SW considered "for kids", we, as kids, were uncool for liking the "adult" show.

Never got any flak for liking Star Trek as a kid. From kids or adults. Some of the "adult stuff" was over my head as a preteen in the Sixties. Liked the aliens, spaceships and rayguns.

 

[BillJ]

I would rather say that Star Trek might be too complicated and too thoughtful for those who just want excitement and adventures.

It really isn't. Not even remotely. That is just elitism bleeding through.

 

[cooleddie74]

I only got teased by the people who teased anybody for liking something that wasn't cool TV shows, music, sports and clothes. It almost never bothered me and I wore my fandom with pride.

 

[Nerys Myk]

It really isn't. Not even remotely. That is just elitism bleeding through.

Trek doesn't exactly use sophisticated complex storytelling. It's rather straightforward with clear messages.

 

[cooleddie74]

Even the deep messages get conveyed in (usually) quick and traditional one-hour television drama methods.

 

[fireproof78]

Maybe that was part of the problem: with ST considered "adult" and SW considered "for kids", we, as kids, were uncool for liking the "adult" show.

The only teasing I got was for liking Kirk and Pike over Picard.

Even the deep messages get conveyed in (usually) quick and traditional one-hour television drama methods.

From a TV show? You mean it's not a philosophical treatise on life?

 

[cooleddie74]

I KNOW, RIGHT?? THE HORROR.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Blueprint for the future!!!!!!!!