And, snowballs, being thrown from the inside, are still made of real snow.
What is your personal head canon?
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Well I guess snow is frozen water. We do see water dripping off Wesley outside the holodeck in ENCOUNTER AT FARPOINT I think it was.
I'm pretty sure this one is actual canon.
AARGH!!!
Yeah, that's a controversy (at least for me) (oh wait, wring thread for controversies
). It's too "small universe" for me. I want them to be two separate powerful species, encountered at different times in our vast galaxy.
Yes. Kirk-era whatever passes for replicators.
It's all personal head cannon, though for me there's just too many similar traits going through both to be a coincidence. Not to mention Trelanes parents as well. Besides there are already way too many God like entities encountered by Starfleet.AARGH!!!
Yeah, that's a controversy (at least for me) (oh wait, wring thread for controversies
Well, Trelane's parents sound a lot more mature and responsible than your average 'adult' Q. (Quinn might be the exception.)
There was an entire novel written on this idea: Q-Squared by Peter David.
Very entertaining!
There is an ancient Vulcan saying; "great minds think alike "...
I think IF they decide to do a Kirk/Spock/Enterprise series after SNW wraps up I would much rather see them do something set in the era post-TMP/Pre-WoK instead of adding to or re-doing TOS. Make the non-canon second 5 year mission fully canon.
This isn’t to say that’s a series I want. But if they decide they just gotta have more Kirk and Spock…that’s where I’d go.
As for Phase II…I believe it did happen as intended (Kirk, Bones, Illia, Xon, etc…) but in a different reality/universe/whatever.
I wish Phase II had happened instead of TMP. But then we probably wouldn't have gotten TNG.
But here's my problem with that: How many species omnipotent/nigh omnipotent freaking god aliens does one galaxy need?AARGH!!!
Yeah, that's a controversy (at least for me) (oh wait, wring thread for controversies
It's a big galaxy.
Isn't that more-or-less what happened in Ronald D Moore's For All Minkind? They had TOS, Phase II, and TNG, and nothing else?
At least some of the movies exist. Ron Moore has said “Wrath of Khan” is the first movie, and it’s mentioned as being released a year later in their timeline (1983 versus 1982).
But there are only 3 series: TOS, Phase II, and TNG.
It’s interesting to wonder about the differences of a “Wrath of Khan” that comes out of Phase II. The movie would arguably have more similarities to “Generations” (since it would be building from the end of a TV show), and I’m guessing Spock’s return and death would be more similar to Kirk’s, where it’s more final and doesn’t lead in to the Genesis Trilogy.
You also probably plug Ilia into Saavik’s role, and I would imagine some sort of conflict between Xon and Spock.
Well...if we take Babylon 5 as a comparison, there are at least nine "First Ones" races that we know of, and there were definitely more than this at some point, but the others have "passed beyond the rim", either metaphorically or literally. An individual of any one of them could appear "godlike" to humans and other equivalent races, but they're just an ordinary individual from a species that is billions of years older than we are.
If we look at the list of "powerful and godike beings" on Memory Alpha, and ignore individuals that are just ordinary entities that temporarily gain superpowers, there are around thirteen depending on where you want to draw the line. And some of those, like the Cytherians or the Nacene, are just "much more advanced than the Federation" without actually being godlike and non-corporeal, like the Q or the Douwd. So it's actually quite similar, and there aren't as many as you might think.
Given that our galaxy is over 12 billion years old and the Earth is somewhat less than 5 billion years old, there's a HUGE amount of time for any number of alien races to have arisen, evolved, and developed to become "godlike" before we crawled out of the primordial slime. I don't think there are all that many, it's just the ones who are still around are really damn powerful and therefore easy to spot.
Another question is – just how omnipotent are these omnipotent aliens, anyway? We don't actually know how powerful the Q are. Could they destroy a planet? A solar system? A galaxy? Could they be threatened by a non-Q? Or are they just really advanced with very good gravimetrics, holography, teleportation, and matter synthesis? Q may repeatedly describe himself as omnipotent but he's got an ego the size of the Great Attractor, and he still warns his own son away from provoking the Borg. After all, Picard looked godlike to the Mintakans.
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Undortunately I don’t have Apple TV so I have not seen FAM.
And that's just within our galaxy. Assuming our galaxy is somewhat average in this respect, there'd still be hundreds of billions or even trillions of such god-like species throughout the universe.
Well, that's what Quinn tells Tuvok in Deathwish (VOY), too:
"But you mustn't think of us as omnipotent. No matter, what the Continuum would like you to believe. You and your ship seem incredibly powerful to lifeforms without your technical expertise. It's no different with us. We may appear omnipotent to you, but believe me, we're not."
Adding to that the famous Clarke quote: 'Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic'.
As to where the limits of their powers really lie, who can tell? Probably not humans, in their current (relatively low, compared to the Q) state of development.
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