I remember they were shown in action in Call to Arms, with a smaller shield bubble protecting the inner ring.
What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Sorry. I'm sure I meant to say "Last man aboard" or something like that. I'm also sure there are reasons to give the bridge crew an ejection system, especially given that they would have to get off of the bridge and travel to wherever the life boats are.
But at first glance it seems like "See ya, suckers! HUZZAH!"
I always took it as a final preservation strategy to save the computer core and command crew after the rest of the crew evacuated.
Sure, I get that; but really it's no more likely to be abused than any other ship system the captain has discretionary control over.
"I'll be in the Captain's Yacht, if you need me."
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As well as responsibility for the safety of all lives aboard. There are many stories of captains refusing to leave, including the captain of the Bismarck during World War 2.
It's an interesting attitude to take in Star Trek given the economics. The value should be on those experience of the crew and saving as many as possible not expecting the captain to die.
I'm curious, speaking of traditions ... Does anyone know whether or not with modern naval vessels that have civilians, do they follow the idea that when evacuating "women and children" go first?
Or do modern systems for evacuations off ships follow some other system when the ship is sinking and people need to get in lifeboats? Or does it just devolve into everyone for themselves?
Or do modern systems for evacuations off ships follow some other system when the ship is sinking and people need to get in lifeboats? Or does it just devolve into everyone for themselves?
Sounds like a great discussion for the Miscellaneous Forum.
All societies are based on rules to protect pregnant women and young children. All else is surplusage, excrescence, adornment, luxury, or folly which can - and must - be dumped in emergency to preserve this prime function. As racial survival is the only universal morality, no other basic is possible. Attempts to formulate a "perfect society" on any foundation other than "Women and children first!" is not only witless, it is automatically genocidal. Nevertheless, starry-eyed idealists (all of them male) have tried endlessly - and no doubt will keep trying.
Robert A. Heinlein
I guess it falls under, "the captain got us into this mess, he's responsible for all the lives and should be there until the last person is evacuated.
True enough.
I made enquiries with the member of the famly who is actually an officer on a passenger liner . The short version is:
If there is an issue with limited space the order is children and people with injuries first. Each lifeboat has to have a complement of actual sailors.
Other than that: everyone who gets on a ship is supposed to be allocated a lifeboat space and to get into their specified space should the ship need to be evacuated. The senior staff are supposed to supervise the evacuation so should be the last people to leave.
Everybody has things they believe or prefer that are out of step with everybody else. What is yours, with regards to Trek? I'm a long time fan and here are mine:
- I admire and respect Trek's overall positive message, but I also think it's incredibly corny. Humanity will completely destroy itself before it ever unites.
- Trek is great in spite of Gene Roddenberry, not because of him. He was creative, but kind of a hack who got lucky. I do not care about strict adherence to Gene's principles. Makes for bad fiction.
- I don't care what feels like Trek. I don't care about veering too far from things people feel is Trek-like in terms of tone and structure, as long as the overall idea is good storytelling...
- Yet, I think canon is very important. I don't know why. It takes me out of it when writers try to write around continuity. Do something new if canon is in your way.
- I like most aspects of ALL versions of Trek. From Enterprise to Prodigy, it's very rarely bad. Call me easy to please, I guess.
- I admire and respect Trek's overall positive message, but I also think it's incredibly corny. Humanity will completely destroy itself before it ever unites.
- Trek is great in spite of Gene Roddenberry, not because of him. He was creative, but kind of a hack who got lucky. I do not care about strict adherence to Gene's principles. Makes for bad fiction.
- I don't care what feels like Trek. I don't care about veering too far from things people feel is Trek-like in terms of tone and structure, as long as the overall idea is good storytelling...
- Yet, I think canon is very important. I don't know why. It takes me out of it when writers try to write around continuity. Do something new if canon is in your way.
- I like most aspects of ALL versions of Trek. From Enterprise to Prodigy, it's very rarely bad. Call me easy to please, I guess.
Canon is not continuity, the producers' hands should not be tied by either if they are an obstruction to entertaining plot.
Obvious contradictions are an obstruction to a plot being entertaining.
You mean like James R Kirk?
If it's an entertaining plot, why would it be any less entertaining if it was disconnected from canon?
To me, this entire issue stems from the insistence of the powers that be that everything all fits together as a cohesive continuity.
It is not the fans tying the producers' hands. They tie their own hands by claiming a canon they want to then sidestep, instead of just creating their own thing, and letting it exist on its own without the connections. If it was a great idea and entertaining plot, why not let it be unencumbered by continuity and be its own version of Star Trek?
I mean like Rodney T. Kirk.You mean like James R Kirk?
I think they should Costanza (or David if you will) Hemmer back on to Strange New Worlds. He's just back in engineering and nobody should say anything. If anyone complains they can say "This was the story we wanted to tell. We can't be constrained by every detail that came in episodes before. Canon is too constricting to good television."
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