Season 3 First Look

[CaptainWacky]

Sometimes hijinks are the only logical course of action.

Liking Chapel and Uhura's new haircuts taking them closer to their TOS hair.

Did Carol Kane make the accent even more ridiculous?

 

[JoseNoodles]

Did Carol Kane make the accent even more ridiculous?

And yet the serum didn't affect her.

 

[fireproof78]

Vulcans are not logical and suppress their emotions because of their genes, but because of their philosophy.

Eh ... "All our Yesterdays" seems to indicate differently.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Eh ... "All our Yesterdays" seems to indicate differently.

It is well established canon that Vulcans have innate heightened emotions, more powerful than human emotions. That part is genetic, yes. And because of their heightened emotions and violent past, they eventually embrace the philosophy of Surak that promotes suppressing emotions and embracing logic. Furthermore, we know that Vulcans spend years of training to learn how to suppress emotions. That part is not genetic. It takes years of training to master. So the crew should suddenly get violent and emotional when they become Vulcan, not suddenly act all stoic and logical, something which takes Vulcans years of training to master.

 

[fireproof78]

It is well established canon that Vulcans have innate heightened emotions, more powerful than human emotions. That part is genetic, yes. And because of their heightened emotions and violent past, they eventually embrace the philosophy of Surak that promotes suppressing emotions and embracing logic. Furthermore, we know that Vulcans spend years of training to learn how to suppress emotions. That part is not genetic. It takes years of training to master. So the crew should suddenly get violent and emotional when they become Vulcan, not suddenly act all stoic and logical, something which takes Vulcans years of training to master.

I mean...why would Spock revert then unless there was a biological component?

 

[Romulan_spy]

I mean...why would Spock revert then unless there was a biological component?

What are you referring to? Revert to what?

 

[fireproof78]

What are you referring to? Revert to what?

Spock goes back in time in All Our Yesterdays. He becomes violent, eats meat, and notes he is becoming like his ancestors of the period.

 

[Cyrus]

This looks fantastic. The scene of them walking the hallways with Pike holding that Vulcan duel weapon is a classic already, I can't stop rewatching.

Was that Scotty in the transporter room?

"4.5 Vulcans to beam down" and then the look on Spock's face.

 

[UssGlenn]

I mean...why would Spock revert then unless there was a biological component?

when was the last time you watched All our Yesterdays? He is psychically affected by the undisciplined minds of all the pre-Surak Vulcans, on Vulcan during that time period. Much like how he senses the Intrepid.

 

[kirk55555]

Leaving aside the fact that turning people without any Vulcan DNA into Vulcans should be impossible for many reasons (not the least of which is a bunch of incompatible body elements like their blood), why would "turning them into Vulcans" make them act emotionlessly and logical? Vulcan's by nature are more emotional then humans, its their years of training since childhood that lets them be calm and logical, not a part of their biology.

I don't like that they seem to be using the yearly "kiddie shenanigans with Spock" episode for the first look, but hopefully this is the worst it gets and we don't get another episode like it in the season. Overall I'm still excited for season 3, although this definitely seems to be a dud episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

There is pretty much zero comedy milage out of just having them just look like Vulcans. Acting like Vulcans will be comedy gold.

 

[fireproof78]

when was the last time you watched All our Yesterdays? He is psychically affected by the undisciplined minds of all the pre-Surak Vulcans, on Vulcan during that time period. Much like how he senses the Intrepid.

*Raises Vulcan eyebrow*

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Spock goes back in time in All Our Yesterdays. He becomes violent, eats meat, and notes he is becoming like his ancestors of the period.

The only way I was able to make sense of that is that Spock was told the portal had changed him to suit the time period and allowed himself to use that as an excuse to drop his emotional control, seeing as he was trapped in the ice age forever with a woman he was falling for. Then it turned out that the portal hadn't changed his biology after all, as he'd skipped that step.

 

[JoseNoodles]

All Our Yesterdays is a really bad time travel episode.

 

[AmandaSmith]

How do the writers keep messing this up?? First spock became emotional when human when he should have had an easier time controlling it and now. If anything the 4 of them should have been more like romulans since they are the ones who don't suppress. It's not a hard concept.

Also, some of this medical stuff is borderlining into magic potion. Like I could get behind it if this was in Discoveries time (1000 years in the future). But I can't see some of the things medical does as pre TOS.

 

[UssGlenn]

*Raises Vulcan eyebrow*

I thought I'd better check the transcript, and it's not as explicit as I thought. But I still think that's what is happening.

MCCOY: The Vulcan you knew won't exist for another five thousand years. Think, man. What's happening on your planet right now, this very moment?
SPOCK: My ancestors are barbarians. Warlike barbarians.
MCCOY: Who nearly killed themselves off with their own passions. Spock, you're reverting into your ancestors five thousand years before you were born!
SPOCK: I've lost myself. I do not know who I am. Can we go back?

 

[JoseNoodles]

I mean we only saw the stinger for the episode. It could turn out that they're not as in control of their emotions as they claim.

 

[fireproof78]

I thought I'd better check the transcript, and it's not as explicit as I thought. But I still think that's what is happening.

MCCOY: The Vulcan you knew won't exist for another five thousand years. Think, man. What's happening on your planet right now, this very moment?
SPOCK: My ancestors are barbarians. Warlike barbarians.
MCCOY: Who nearly killed themselves off with their own passions. Spock, you're reverting into your ancestors five thousand years before you were born!
SPOCK: I've lost myself. I do not know who I am. Can we go back?

I don't see that but I appreciate your clarification.

 

[AmandaSmith]

I wonder if this serum somehow contains a part of Spock's psyche, hence the reason why the other crew become so logical and hard on Spock. At least that could explain the sudden transformation in personality, if we want to assume the writers didn't confuse biology with cultural factors.

I was thinking this too, Maybe before this scene he was saying he could control their emotion for all of them. But that still doesn't mean their personalities would be different. they would know spock is sensitive about his biology and wouldn't bring up the half Vulcan thing. Unless they are implying the crew is only nice to him because they pity (or other human emotions) him.

 

[JoseNoodles]

It was always odd that Spock was affected, but McCoy and Kirk weren't. It's not like McCoy started acting like a Neanderthal.