The Enterprise one is a worse look to me. Not sure why SNW gets maligned but this CGI oddity is a pass.They still look like a large, bipedal Lizard to me.
What is your personal head canon?
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I look more at design than the technical quality of it. Yeah, the ENT one doesn't look great as CGI... it didn't even look great at the time.
Execution aside, the design is nice.
My only real issue with the SNW version is that it's so different than either the TOS or ENT one. It doesn't look bad... it's kind of a common thread with the DSC/SNW style... things don't look bad they just don't look right.
It's not just that line though, even if not directly spoken out, every single action in "arena" only makes sense if that's their first encounter with the Gorn.
We know what it looked like when they already knew about an alien species - the first appearance of the Klingons mentions them already being known - the Gorn are a first encounter.
However - in my "old-guy-doesn't-care-about-canon-anymore"-attitude I'm FINE with this retcon. The Gorn are just such an obvious choice for a TOS era villain, it would be a shame to miss it, and unlike the Romulans there didn't exist decades of Trek lore building on that first encounter.
But! I am very much just annoyed how the Gorn inside SNW itself make no logical sense. The "Alien chestburster" youth works as a monster story - not as a background for an intelligent society at scale. And the characters talking about the Gorn as dumb monsters doesn't mesh with them flying spaceships and using advanced tactics. That is really grinding my gears...
I have just enough faith in the showrunners that there will be a lesson here... yes, it's obvious dumb monsters don't fly starships... so... the Gorn can't be dumb monsters, despite their method of reproduction appearing alien and monstrous to us.
I mean, we all have an expectation where this plotline goes - and tbf it's not anything special. So if the writers don't manage to drop a really big surprise, or absolutely rock the implementation, I'm just chalking this storyline up as one of their mediocre ones.
Which, IMO, also proves that the SNW creators chose the right format for their show - all other modern live-action Trek shows live and die with their seasonal main arcs. And mostly they fail.
SNW can get away with a disappointing main arc, because it's simply just a minor part of the overall show itself, and just one of many, many independent stories, some of which are really great.
Reminds me of Starship Troopers (the book) and how they note the Arachnids of Klendathu are not "dumb" but do not present as a common human would interpret intelligent behavior.
So, I'll reserve judgement until this plotline is concluded.
Good.
Agree to disagree.
ENT is bad. Hands down. Looks dumb, feels dumb, sounds dumb.
But, on the flip side, adding in ENT brings another datapoint which serves as a bridge to SNW to TOS. So, on that count it's fine.
Missed this, but can't cut and past always with new replies: agree to disagree.
It makes sense without it being the first encounter. Their actions are ridiculous but easily understood both as a known and unknown threat.
Like the reptile Xindi but they're not called Gorn eitherThey still look like a large, bipedal Lizard to me.
Please no. Less Alien references in my science fiction please and thank you!
The Gorn are one of my biggest dings against SNW, along with some other things.
It's not exactly a stretch to conclude that either 1) the Gorn mature (becoming more rational and less violent) as they age, and the one from TOS was indeed rather old; 2) there are multiple species in the Gorn Hegemony; or 3) BOTH.
Easy solution. There are multiple types of Gorn.
The ones we've seen so far in SNW are the Warrior Caste. They're a rare breed and are only bread under unique conditions. Helps to explain their extremely aggressive nature.
The Gorn we saw in Arena was of the Royal Caste. They are the rarest of the bunch and are bread for command and positions of power.
The one we saw in Enterprise was a Worker Caste. They breed like rabbits and don't require a host. They make up the majority of the Hegemony.
Easy Peasy.
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I guess this is where we diverge at. I'm not interested in background for every named species out there (or every character). It is okay to leave things to viewers imagination.
Sometimes, less is more. IMO.
That's fair, though I personally love mining the past for interesting species that could stand to be fleshed out. It's how we got the modern take on Andorians and Tellarites through Enterprise, which I view as a rousing success for the franchise. The Gorn, for whatever reason, left a lasting impression back in the day and are ripe for being expanded upon.
Oh, in Valen's name!
Do they at least have a version of Swedish meatballs?
It is funny. I started out as a small child loving Trek for the cool spaceships, then found other aspects I liked as I got older, now I’m just around for the cool spaceships.
Well.... I can't argue against loving cool spaceships. I love cool spaceships!
paraphrasing Quark a bit.... and reminds me of an awesome meme.
Humans are "deranged hyper-neophiles" - A Humorous take on Star Trek
Make sure you read all of the responses. This is well worth your time. Just a note, the F word is used a couple of times. 6021
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paraphrasing Quark a bit.... and reminds me of an awesome meme.
Humans are "deranged hyper-neophiles" - A Humorous take on Star Trek
Make sure you read all of the responses. This is well worth your time. Just a note, the F word is used a couple of times. 6021
I've seen it before, and it still made me laugh so hard i cried.
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