Doctor Who and crossovers. What would you have liked to have seen?

[Gingerbread Demon]

Well if you had the power that is, to make the show what would you have liked if you could include crossovers?

Obvious answer is Star Trek and there were already comic books about that, but what else?

I'd love to hear some of you lot and your ideas.

I would have loved maybe a few minutes in the Star Wars universe then back to normal, but maybe something British like The Avengers which was campy anyway too, or even The Goodies.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I would be remiss if I didn't mention the one we almost got: Blake's 7. Tom Baker and Gareth Thomas were good mates at the time and they wanted to do a walk-by cameo on either show, quietly acknowledging the other. Unfortunately the idea was nixed by the BBC.

Would've been a marvelous moment, especially considering all of the indirect connections between the two shows over the years (Terry Nation, how the show was initially devised as a spin-off, several of the cast members showing up on  Who, etc.).

 

[Timewalker]

There's not much that can't be crossed with Doctor Who.

I have an old Traveling Companion fanzine that had all kinds of crossovers in it. One that most fans probably wouldn't have thought of was Doctor Who/All Creatures Great and Small.

The Fifth Doctor, Tegan, and Nyssa turn up not far from the Farnons' veterinary practice, the Doctor gets mistaken for Tristan Farnon, and ends up delivering some farmer's animal's baby (don't recall what kind of animal). Tegan and Nyssa aren't impressed when the Doctor returns smelling like a barn (not to mention said farm animal).

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

There's not much that can't be crossed with Doctor Who.

I have an old Traveling Companion fanzine that had all kinds of crossovers in it. One that most fans probably wouldn't have thought of was Doctor Who/All Creatures Great and Small.

The Fifth Doctor, Tegan, and Nyssa turn up not far from the Farnons' veterinary practice, the Doctor gets mistaken for Tristan Farnon, and ends up delivering some farmer's animal's baby (don't recall what kind of animal). Tegan and Nyssa aren't impressed when the Doctor returns smelling like a barn (not to mention said farm animal).

I like that one

 

[Turbo]

I would love to have seen the Third Doctor and Jo meet Steed and Mrs. Peel. (I know the timelines of the series didn't match up, but still.) Lots of room there for friendly banter and yet potential conflicts over methods and the Doctor's arrogance versus Steed's civility. I think Jo would make a better contrast to Mrs. Peel than Sarah. The Cybermen seem like logical foes here; perhaps some were left over from The Invasion and are using a diabolical mastermind to rebuild their forces. I'm uncertain if it would work better with or without UNIT, as the Ministry was pretty vaguely defined in the Mrs. Peel era, but they could work in some of the Tara King era goofiness to fluster and frustrate the Brigadier. I'd love to see Big Finish take this on, but I imagine their Avengers license agreement doesn't permit it.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I would love to have seen the Third Doctor and Jo meet Steed and Mrs. Peel. (I know the timelines of the series didn't match up, but still.) Lots of room there for friendly banter and yet potential conflicts over methods and the Doctor's arrogance versus Steed's civility. I think Jo would make a better contrast to Mrs. Peel than Sarah. The Cybermen seem like logical foes here; perhaps some were left over from The Invasion and are using a diabolical mastermind to rebuild their forces. I'm uncertain if it would work better with or without UNIT, as the Ministry was pretty vaguely defined in the Mrs. Peel era, but they could work in some of the Tara King era goofiness to fluster and frustrate the Brigadier. I'd love to see Big Finish take this on, but I imagine their Avengers license agreement doesn't permit it.

Meeting with the avengers would have been cool or the Doctor meeting the Tracy family and the Thunderbirds.

The Doctor and Brains getting along would be fun

 

[Starkers]

I would be remiss if I didn't mention the one we almost got: Blake's 7. Tom Baker and Gareth Thomas were good mates at the time and they wanted to do a walk-by cameo on either show, quietly acknowledging the other. Unfortunately the idea was nixed by the BBC.

Would've been a marvelous moment, especially considering all of the indirect connections between the two shows over the years (Terry Nation, hos the show was initially devised as a spin-off, several of the cast members showing up on  Who, etc.).

I'm going to guess they spent a lot of time in the pub together

 

[Captaindemotion]

People often point to the resemblances between Sherlock Holmes and The Doctor (or Moriarty and the Master), so a Doctor/SH crossover would probably work nicely. Especially when Moffat was show running both DW and Sherlock at the same time. Though I’d prefer a crossover with a Victorian Sherlock.

There’s a great pic online somewhere of Jon Pertwee and Roger Moore walking through an airport together and for some reason that’s are the only Doctor-Bond pairing I can really imagine working well together. (Out of curiosity I google imaged combinations of DW actors alongside 007 actors; I found Tom and Pierce when the former guested in Remington Steele, Chris and Daniel in Our Friends in the North and David and Tim in TEOT obviously. Connery and Hartnell both appeared in a film called Hell Riders but I couldn’t find a google image of them together).

 

[Turbo]

I agree on that Bond-Doctor pairing being the only one that really works. Moore's Bond movies had far more camp than most of the rest of the series (excluding For Your Eyes Only). The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, and A View to a Kill feel like they have similarities to the Third Doctor's era. Moore's Bond is still a killer spy but not as ruthless as some of the other Bonds, most of whom would appall any Doctor. The Third Doctor echoes Moore's debonair qualities and I can see them playing cards together, though he would probably still be unhappy with Bond's methods in the end.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

Well, since Douglas Adams wrote for and was the script editor for Dr. Who, a 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' and Fourth Doctor crossover seems pretty obvious.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The 12th Doctor and Bill and Ted.

'Ultimate
Timeline
TOUR!'

"Excellent!" *air guitar*
*Doctor facepalms*

I especially want to see them switch time traveling phone boots.

 

[Relayer1]

I find crossovers incredibly problematic. 99.9% simply wouldn't fit with a different franchise.

The only things I could half way see working with Who is Hitch Hikers Guide, and at a real push, Bill and Ted.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I'd love to see The Eleventh Doctor land aboard Moya in Farscape for the sheer contrast in styles.

 

[Christopher]

I find crossovers incredibly problematic. 99.9% simply wouldn't fit with a different franchise.

I agree. With mundane series, it's easy enough to do a crossover -- it's not that implausible that, say, Jessica Fletcher and Thomas Magnum could live in the same reality, or that the casts of Law & Order and JAG might meet each other on a case. But with science fiction, the universe itself tends to have different physical laws, history, etc. in each series, so there are few cases where two series can logically be reconciled. And the alternate-history dodge doesn't make sense in cases where fundamental things like physical laws and the existence of entire planets and species are incompatible.

However, I've always liked the idea that Doctor Who and Blake's 7 share a universe. Terry Nation actually wanted the invading aliens in B7's season 2 finale to be the Daleks, and Gareth Thomas and Tom Baker wanted a crossover, but they were overruled. And Chris Boucher incorporated a character he created for a B7 episode into prose and audio sequels to "The Robots of Death." Even before I knew those things, I liked to think that B7 took place in the Who universe, that maybe its Federation was a corrupt successor (or predecessor) of the more benevolent Federation in the Peladon stories. Some of the vague references in B7 to human history were difficult to reconcile with DW's history, but then, DW constantly reinvents its own future history as it goes, and it's not like it ever really fit together.

It's also my headcanon that the movie Attack the Block takes place in the Who universe. It just feels like it naturally fits into the darker, Torchwood-y side of the universe, even aside from Jodie Whittaker being in it.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The 12th Doctor and Bill and Ted.

'Ultimate
Timeline
TOUR!'

"Excellent!" *air guitar*
*Doctor facepalms*

I especially want to see them switch time traveling phone boots.

I apologize in advance...

Bill and Ted enter the TARDIS

Bill and Ted: "Whoa!"

Bill: "Ted my friend, this is a most bodacious display of transdimensional mechanics."

Ted: "Agreed, Bill my friend. Most resplendent."

Ted turns towards the Doctor.

Ted: "Dude! It's totally bigger on the inside!"

Bill: "How come ours doesn't do that?"

Doctor: "Because it was built by humans. Now, shut up and let me think.

Bill: "Absolutely, grumpy time traveler dude."

Ted: "Dude, check out this guy's guitar!

Bill: "Dude! You play? Do you want to join our band?"

Bill and Ted: "Wyld Stallions!" *air guitar*

*Doctor facepalms*

Yeah, I'll just show myself out...

 

[Relayer1]

I agree. With mundane series, it's easy enough to do a crossover -- it's not that implausible that, say, Jessica Fletcher and Thomas Magnum could live in the same reality, or that the casts of Law & Order and JAG might meet each other on a case. But with science fiction, the universe itself tends to have different physical laws, history, etc. in each series, so there are few cases where two series can logically be reconciled. And the alternate-history dodge doesn't make sense in cases where fundamental things like physical laws and the existence of entire planets and species are incompatible.

Absolutely.

if there's been creative world building things are unlikely to fit. Time travel, ftl travel, supernatural, telepathy, contradictory events, the list goes on.

However, I've always liked the idea that Doctor Who and Blake's 7 share a universe. Terry Nation actually wanted the invading aliens in B7's season 2 finale to be the Daleks, and Gareth Thomas and Tom Baker wanted a crossover, but they were overruled. And Chris Boucher incorporated a character he created for a B7 episode into prose and audio sequels to "The Robots of Death." Even before I knew those things, I liked to think that B7 took place in the Who universe, that maybe its Federation was a corrupt successor (or predecessor) of the more benevolent Federation in the Peladon stories. Some of the vague references in B7 to human history were difficult to reconcile with DW's history, but then, DW constantly reinvents its own future history as it goes, and it's not like it ever really fit together.

i don't know that I'd be comfortable with time travel in Blakes, but who am I to disagree with the creators ?

It's also my headcanon that the movie Attack the Block takes place in the Who universe. It just feels like it naturally fits into the darker, Torchwood-y side of the universe, even aside from Jodie Whittaker being in it.

Oh, hadn't thought of that one. Yes it could fit.

 

[Turtletrekker]

I'm sorry, I know I just showed myself out, but I crawled back in through the window.

Bill & Ted stories are ultimately all about the music, so would this story have to be.

It's the Twelfth Doctor and Wyld Stallions against the threat of the Maestro. Hush! If River Song can meet every incarnation of the Doctor on Big Finish, then the Twelfth Doctor can face off against the Maestro. This is Doctor Who. There's always a way to "wibbly wobbly" your way around a plot hole.

The Maestro is targeting Bill and Ted because of the destined future that their music is supposed to bring. After their defeat here, the Maestro moves on to 1925 and the events of The Devil's Chord.

Depending on how silly we want to make things, we can bring in the Second Doctor on the recorder and the Seventh Doctor on the spoons.

The Doctor: giving new meaning to the term "one man band".

And, I repeat, they must at some point in the story try to figure out each other's time machine.

Marty McFly? Yeah, now we're getting too silly...

I'll just show myself out again...

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I would have liked to see a Who/Trek crossover. Hell, I may be one of the few who actually liked "The Doctor and the Enterprise."

 

[Timewalker]

(Out of curiosity I google imaged combinations of DW actors alongside 007 actors; I found Tom and Pierce when the former guested in Remington Steele,

That fanzine I mentioned had a story with a Fourth Doctor/Remington Steele crossover.

Well, since Douglas Adams wrote for and was the script editor for Dr. Who, a 'Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy' and Fourth Doctor crossover seems pretty obvious.

Of course, but Peter Davidson was already in the Hitchhiker's Guide TV series. Mind you, he didn't play the Doctor.

I find crossovers incredibly problematic. 99.9% simply wouldn't fit with a different franchise.

The only things I could half way see working with Who is Hitch Hikers Guide, and at a real push, Bill and Ted.

The beauty of crossovers is that they don't need to fit flawlessly. They should fit plausibly to some extent, but keep in mind that our regular normal world doesn't have things like TARDISes that are bigger on the inside.

The franchises in that fanzine I mentioned included M*A*S*H (Fourth Doctor and Leela), Wizards & Warriors (short fantasy series from the early '80s), All Creatures Great and Small, Remington Steele, Star Trek, and quite a few others.

Here's the link to the Traveling Companion fanzines; I'm talking about: https://fanlore.org/wiki/Travelling_Companion

The contents include:

Travelling Companion 3 is undated (likely 1984). It contains 158 pages and crossovers with WKRP in Cincinnati, The Phoenix, Hill Street Blues, Star Trek: TOS and more. The front cover is by Gennie Summers.

• ads, editorial (2)
• cartoon by Michael Krause (3)
• Pivot Point by Marguerite Krause, art by Gennie Summers (Fourth Doctor crossed with Star Trek) (4)
• Limerick by Rebecca Ann Brothers (19)
• Wrong Turn at Albuqurque (sic) by Cheryl Duval (Second Doctor on Tatooine) (20)
• Cartoon by Summers and Sizemore (23)
• Seen and Unseen by Jody Lynn Nye (Susan and Narnia) (24)
• David's Song by Marguerite Krause (25)
• cartoons by Anne Davenport
• filks by Linda Terrell (28)
• Song Unsung by Linda Terrell, art by Cheryl Duval (Third Doctor) (28)
• A Time Lord by Cyndi Bayless, art by Caro Hedge (31)
• Hitchiker's Guide to the Daleks by Rebecca Ann Brothers (32)
• filk by Judy Nathanson, art by Hedge (34)
• Pair O'Docs by Marguerite Krause, art by Jane Fancher (Fourth Doctor crossed with WKRP in Cincinnati) (35)
• Advertisements (52)
• Whose Prime Directive by Cheryl Petterson and Susan Sizemore, art by Laurie Farkas (Fourth Doctor and Star Trek) (53)
• The Time of The Phenonix (sic) by Teresa Sarick, art by Phred (Fourth Doctor and the Phoenix) (61)
• Nor Isolde Either by Phillip Allen (Fifth Doctor and All Creatures Great and Small) (69)
• Impressions, Another View by Marguerite Krause and Susan Sizemore (73)
• Traveller's Return by Leah McGrew, art by Gennie Summers (Fourth Doctor and Time Tunnel) (74)
• And Magic is Loose in the World by Teresa Sarick, art by Rick Braunshausen (Fourth Doctor and Wizards and Warriors) (83)
• Steele Alive, Old Friend by Susan Sizemore (Sarah Jane Smith, the Brigadier, and Remington Steele) (106)
• Hold to Destruction by Linda Terrell, art by Rick Braunshausen (Fourth Doctor and BOLO) (120)
• Alight by Teresa Sarick, art by Caro Hedge (128)
• Is There a Doctor in the House by Leah McGrew, art by McGrew (Fourth Doctor crossed with M*A*S*H) (129)
• Advertisement (133)
• TARDIS on the the Hill by Sue Ann Sarick (sic), art by Laurie Farkas (Fourth Doctor and Hill Street Blues) (134)
• Broken Infinity by Karin L. Zygowicz, art by Caro Hedge (151)
• Private Place by Marguerite Krause, art by Gennie Summers (Fifth Doctor and Star Trek) (152)
• cartoon by Summers (157)
• filk by Jody Lynn Nye (158)
• back cover by Cheryl Whitfield Duval (160)
• art by Phred, Duval, Farkas, Davenport, Fancher, Summers

I'd forgotten about some of these stories, but then I never watched WKRP or Hill Street Blues.

Some of these fanfic authors went on to have professional writing careers.

I agree. With mundane series, it's easy enough to do a crossover -- it's not that implausible that, say, Jessica Fletcher and Thomas Magnum could live in the same reality, or that the casts of Law & Order and JAG might meet each other on a case. But with science fiction, the universe itself tends to have different physical laws, history, etc. in each series, so there are few cases where two series can logically be reconciled. And the alternate-history dodge doesn't make sense in cases where fundamental things like physical laws and the existence of entire planets and species are incompatible.

There's a fanfic story that crosses Murder, She Wrote with Keeping Up Appearances. Jessica Fletcher has to figured out who murdered Hyacinth. Since Hyacinth is such an annoying character, it could be any of over a dozen regular and recurring characters.

One of the more interesting crossovers I've ever read is Stargate/I, Claudius.

I apologize in advance...

Bill and Ted enter the TARDIS

Bill and Ted: "Whoa!"

Bill: "Ted my friend, this is a most bodacious display of transdimensional mechanics."

Ted: "Agreed, Bill my friend. Most resplendent."

Ted turns towards the Doctor.

Ted: "Dude! It's totally bigger on the inside!"

Bill: "How come ours doesn't do that?"

Doctor: "Because it was built by humans. Now, shut up and let me think.

Bill: "Absolutely, grumpy time traveler dude."

Ted: "Dude, check out this guy's guitar!

Bill: "Dude! You play? Do you want to join our band?"

Bill and Ted: "Wyld Stallions!" *air guitar*

*Doctor facepalms*

Yeah, I'll just show myself out...

This would be fun!


Actually, if you want to base a crossover on which actors have appeared together, then of course Doctor Who could be crossed with some of Kenneth Branagh's Shakespeare movies. After all, Derek Jacobi and Brian Blessed were in Henry V (not all Whovian stories actually need the Doctor), and Brian Blessed and Richard Briers were in Much Ado About Nothing. Oh, and Keanu Reeves was in that one as well. Of course he played the villain, but there's a way to get around that. It couldn't be worse than some of the drivel in the actual nuWho series that drove me to quit watching.

And a natural crossover would be Doctor Who/Harry Potter, with not one, but two Doctors' actors in that.

Though I'd really prefer a crossover with Harry Potter and BBC Merlin. I can imagine Kilgharrah the Great Dragon not dying after all, and instead transforming into an elderly wandmaker plying his trade in Diagon Alley.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I apologize in advance...

Bill and Ted enter the TARDIS

Bill and Ted: "Whoa!"

Bill: "Ted my friend, this is a most bodacious display of transdimensional mechanics."

Ted: "Agreed, Bill my friend. Most resplendent."

Ted turns towards the Doctor.

Ted: "Dude! It's totally bigger on the inside!"

Bill: "How come ours doesn't do that?"

Doctor: "Because it was built by humans. Now, shut up and let me think.

Bill: "Absolutely, grumpy time traveler dude."

Ted: "Dude, check out this guy's guitar!

Bill: "Dude! You play? Do you want to join our band?"

Bill and Ted: "Wyld Stallions!" *air guitar*

*Doctor facepalms*

Yeah, I'll just show myself out...

I could actually picture this.