Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?

[Campe]

Look, I tried to be pretty diplomatic when I started posting on this BBS in 2022. People would ask why I didn't like, say, SNW, and I'd actually try to explain why, like some poor effective altruist not appreciating the depths people will go to to be assholes on the Internet. "Hijacking the thread" -- according to the sea lions. So I'm far less likely to devote any length of time to elaborate on something now.

That said, one thing this thread demonstrates is that people are fans of Star Trek for very different reasons. Back in the day, most hard core fans seemed to be of the continuity/lore variety. There are clearly other types here who spend far far more time talking about Star Trek online than I'm ever willing to put in. If you like a reboot like SNW, more power to you. Just expect that a massive portion of the fanbase wants something else, like a continuation that moves forward 21 years worth of storylines.

I’ve said for years that Star Trek is different things to different people. You like continuity? That’s great if that’s what you enjoy! I look at continuity as a tapestry. Focusing on the minutiae, the little stitches that can certainly be one way of looking at it but there’s also the big picture, the entirety of the tapestry. Some like Trek for the starships and the tech. That’s fine for them. I used to like all of that -- the continuity and the tech. I had the first edition TNG Tech Manual, the first edition Encyclopedia and Chronology and I POURED over them. There wasn't more that I wanted at that time than to understand how this universe worked -- the history and the starships.

But as I’ve grown older, I've realized, for me, that there's more to it than all of that. I have a wife and kids and a real job. I’ve grown to appreciate the characters and the stories, the hope for humanity particularly in a very, very trying time. Why is my way so much worse because I put less emphasis on the continuity? I would rather be focused on telling a good story. And if it doesn't fit exactly with what's happened before, that's okay because we as Star Trek fans have done amazingly reconciling the continuity, keep the tapestry together. Are we that lazy that we can no longer pull those disparate strands together, as opposed to just cutting them out as so many seem poised to do now?

Can’t we all just accept we have different opinions? Agree to disagree?

Edit: For clarity and a little for content.

 

[Daedalus]

The same John Eaves who has been known to supply incorrect information, like the whole 25% fiasco? The same John Eaves who had to temporarily shut down his social media accounts by request of Paramount because he was frequently posting inaccurate information?

Well, shit me, horsey. If that John Eaves said it, then what do I know?

It's in the book, that's all I've got.

Perhaps he's a compulsive liar or perhaps a broken clock is right twice a day.

 

[The Wormhole]

It's in the book

This is Star Trek, books aren't canon. Everyone knows that.

 

[Daedalus]

This is Star Trek, books aren't canon. Everyone knows that.

Well the non-fiction ones couldn't be canon, as they're real life. Full of lies, apparently.

 

[Dukhat]

It's in the book, that's all I've got.

Perhaps he's a compulsive liar or perhaps a broken clock is right twice a day.

A compulsive liar? I don't know Eaves well enough to know if that's true. What I do know of him is that he seems to be a nice guy (if a little ADD), but I wouldn't take everything he says as gospel, partly because I sometimes think he doesn't know all the information, and partly because I think he's trying to cover his ass when people call him out.

Case in point: When he was asked about why his ENT Romulan BoP had nacelles that looked like they came off of a Jem'Hadar ship (which he also designed), he said that he originally designed it with round nacelles but that the 'studio' wanted it to look that way (despite none of his concept art having round nacelles.) Fast-forward to 2017 or thereabouts. When asked why all of his DSC season 1 Starfleet vessels have square nacelles instead of round, he again states that that was what the showrunner wanted, again despite his pre-production concept art showing ships with square nacelles just like the finished products.

So yeah, he's not the most valid source of information.

 

[Daedalus]

A compulsive liar? I don't know Eaves well enough to know if that's true. What I do know of him is that he seems to be a nice guy (if a little ADD), but I wouldn't take everything he says as gospel, partly because I sometimes think he doesn't know all the information, and partly because I think he's trying to cover his ass when people call him out.

Case in point: When he was asked about why his ENT Romulan BoP had nacelles that looked like they came off of a Jem'Hadar ship (which he also designed), he said that he originally designed it with round nacelles but that the 'studio' wanted it to look that way (despite none of his concept art having round nacelles.) Fast-forward to 2017 or thereabouts. When asked why all of his DSC season 1 Starfleet vessels have square nacelles instead of round, he again states that that was what the showrunner wanted, again despite his pre-production concept art showing ships with square nacelles just like the finished products.

So yeah, he's not the most valid source of information.

I really don't know anything about him if I'm completely honest. What I would say is that he's an "official source", but official sources can sometimes get it wrong. That's fair, right? Everyone makes mistakes.

Plus, the information we read can sometimes be contradicted on screen. Other times, it's about right.

We're at the mercy of our own guess work, I suppose. Just have to run with it.

 

[James Cole]

Perhaps he's a compulsive liar or perhaps a broken clock is right twice a day.

Look at all the stuff over the last few years that was labeled as misinformation that turned out to be more or less true. At best this is just a game of telephone where supporting details have been distorted when passed person to person.

 

[fireproof78]

But as I’ve grown older, I've realized, for me, that there's more to it than all of that. I have a wife and kids and a real job. I’ve grown to appreciate the characters and the stories, the hope for humanity particularly in a very, very trying time. Why is my way so much worse because I put less emphasis on the continuity? I would rather be focused on telling a good story. And if it doesn't fit exactly with what's happened before, that's okay because we as Star Trek fans have done amazingly reconciling the continuity, keep the tapestry together. Are we that lazy that we can no longer pull those disparate strands together, as opposed to just cutting them out as so many seem poised to do now?

That's my honest question. As a younger fan, well I spent most of my time creating stories with Mego figures or action figures filling in the little details and adventures. If it didn't like up perfectly, so what?

It's a story, meant as an escapist fantasy that I get to enjoy for a brief time. By it's nature, it will not be consistent because stories vary over time. It's ok to have that variation.

 

[Campe]

That's my honest question. As a younger fan, well I spent most of my time creating stories with Mego figures or action figures filling in the little details and adventures. If it didn't like up perfectly, so what?

It's a story, meant as an escapist fantasy that I get to enjoy for a brief time. By it's nature, it will not be consistent because stories vary over time. It's ok to have that variation.

Some of the most fun I had when I was more into canon and continuity was trying to rectify things that didn’t fit exactly. But yes, I too played with my toys back in the day, coming up with adventures. Now, I just enjoy the ride. Thats not for everyone and I get that. But with nearly 1000 hours of entertainment, it really all fits together pretty well. Well enough, anyway.

 

[fireproof78]

Some of the most fun I had when I was more into canon and continuity was trying to rectify things that didn’t fit exactly. But yes, I too played with my toys back in the day, coming up with adventures. Now, I just enjoy the ride. Thats not for everyone and I get that. But with nearly 1000 hours of entertainment, it really all fits together pretty well. Well enough, anyway.

I always encourage people who are convinced that perfect timelines exist to study history and realize we don't know as much as we assume, and take for granted a lot of knowledge as being linear when it is anything but.

 

[Frontis]

So when my brother, my cousin and me played Star Trek as kids (it was fun, I was always Spock) it could be called another timeline, too.

 

[fireproof78]

So when my brother, my cousin and me played Star Trek as kids (it was fun, I was always Spock) it could be called another timeline, too.

Absolutely.

The whole point is to fuel the imagination not memorize random bits of trivia like studying for a history test.

 

[HotRod]

It's ok guys! Our nightmare is finally coming to an end! The Lord Terry, Matalas be thy name, has answered our prayers!

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[fireproof78]

Legacy! Legacy! Legacy!

 

[Campe]

Ah, SciTrek.. how I roll my eyes at thee.

 

[Firebird]

But with nearly 1000 hours of entertainment, it really all fits together pretty well. Well enough, anyway.

That's the surprising thing I've found since I started writing fanfic and using elements across the franchise in my story - it really doesn't take that much to get it all to work together coherently. A line or two can sandpaper over an inconsistency and you can just move on.

 

[Lord Garth]

I'll wait for updates from an official source. Sorry to be boring about that.

 

[Lord Garth]

Legacy! Legacy! Legacy!

You're a Legacy Fan like I'm an Enterprise Fan.

 

[FederationHistorian]

It might be something for Prodigy (it's set during her time as a Fenris Ranger ).

I'm not sure if there are plans for a 3rd season of Prodigy to even explore that. Though Kate Mulgrew is sure supportive of the idea of a PRO S3.

I really hate that Rios was basically put in a spot that doesn't really allow for an easy appearance in any upcoming production, Legacy potential or not. His story is done done.

If Legacy is greenlit, Rios could reappear one of three ways:

- An time travel episode set in present day, which may be late 2020s or early 2030s, depending one when Legacy is put into production

- Takes a page from DS9‘s “Past Tense” and have a time travel episode set 30 years from now, meaning the post-atomic horror era in the late 2050s or early 2060s.

- Q briefly brings him back to the 25th century, as part of a test for Jack

 

[Lord Garth]

Rios could also appear in flashbacks for a story centering around Raffi.

It's not Rios himself, but Raffi or Seven could've transferred his holograms from La Sirena to the Enterprise-G as well.