Ok. What is the chance of a Picard spinoff?

[M'rk son of Mogh]

Hey, I got nothing against hope. I'm personally still hoping for either a Romulan War/Birth of the Federation series or a Rachel Garrett pre-Enterprise-C series. Both take place in eras we know virtually nothing about. They could present us something new without being entirely reliant on nostalgia.

Isn't Rachel Garrett already part of nostalgia? A Romulan war that has Admiral Archer as a lead (hey, it's possible). Nobody can win.

The one series that's set so far ahead that it's immune to nostalgia is Academy and it just gets a "but I'm not interested". It doesn't make sense.

But see how dangerous this game is? "Nostalgia" is just the latest "Mary Sue".

TNG was over twenty years ago, then it was supposed to be done with Picard season one. Then we got two more seasons. Sometimes an abrupt final goodbye is better than saying goodbye over and over and over again.

Picard was ALWAYS a 3 season show, right from selling it to Stewart.

 

[Lord Garth]

Taking pause to note this is going much better than things went in February.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The only Picard spinoff I'd like is Star Trek: La Sirena with the PIC1 cast. (If they wanna pretend PIC2 never happened I'm cool with it) No interest in the kids table at the Enterprise-D Thanksgiving or Berman-Era Greatest Hits Tour II.

 

[BillJ]

After 178 episodes of TNG, another 100 of Worf on DS9, multiple episodes of Troi and Barclay on VOY, four feature films, and another 30 episodes of Picard. I'm simply burned out on everything TNG-related.

 

[Dukhat]

The one series that's set so far ahead that it's immune to nostalgia is Academy and it just gets a "but I'm not interested". It doesn't make sense.

Star Trek's tropes have never changed, no matter what time period a show is set in. It's one of its biggest flaws (as it's not remotely logical), but there it is. An Academy show set in the 22nd century, the 23rd, the 24th, or the 32nd will have little difference. And since 'Starfleet Academy' has been banded about for decades as the 'go-to idea when all other ideas fail,' it doesn't fill me with much confidence. But we'll see. It could be the best thing ever. Or not.

 

[HotRod]

Isn't Rachel Garrett already part of nostalgia?

Does it really count as nostalgia if we're reintroduced to a character we saw exactly once for all of about 10 minutes of screen time? Nevermind that we'd be seeing them at a different time in their life and under far different circumstances.

 

[BillJ]

Does it really count as nostalgia if we're reintroduced to a character we saw exactly once for all of about 10 minutes of screen time? Nevermind that we'd be seeing them at a different time in their life and under far different circumstances.

Which makes one wonder, why even use Rachel Garrett at all? Simply a name drop from a popular episode.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Which makes one wonder, why even use Rachel Garrett at all? Simply a name drop from a popular episode.

Exactly why.

 

[BillJ]

Exactly why.

In isolation, I really wouldn't have an issue with them using Garrett. She is a complete open book with the only caveat of having to be alive at the end of the movie. It just starts to get tedious when nostalgia seems to be the only thing driving the franchise at this point.

 

[fireproof78]

But the unfortunate truth was that season 1 was basically just getting (tricking?) Stewart on board so they could guide him towards the reunion he was opposed to doing.

Which always begs my question; Why was he so opposed to it that he had to be tricked in to the reunion that was very much expected from such a project?

Is this like a Nimoy type moment of "I am not Spock" and people thinking he never wanted to play the role again?

 

[HotRod]

Which makes one wonder, why even use Rachel Garrett at all? Simply a name drop from a popular episode.

Why not? Beyond us knowing she becomes Captain of the Enterprise, she's a 100% blank slate. It would allow to to explore a seemingly interesting characters while also exploring an unknown era. The basic building blocks of the series are in place just waiting to be arranged in a potentially unique way that wouldn't be reliant on nostalgia.

 

[Dukhat]

Which always begs my question; Why was he so opposed to it that he had to be tricked in to the reunion that was very much expected from such a project?

Is this like a Nimoy type moment of "I am not Spock" and people thinking he never wanted to play the role again?

I'm pretty sure that was not the intent of the producers, to 'trick' Stewart into anything. If he didn't want a TNG reunion, he could have just stopped doing the show.

 

[fireproof78]

I'm pretty sure that was not the intent of the producers, to 'trick' Stewart into anything. If he didn't want a TNG reunion, he could have just stopped doing the show.

Intentional or not it's always struck me as strange.

 

[M'rk son of Mogh]

He literally had 3 rules to signing on: it wasn't to feature his Next Generation cast, he wasn't in Starfleet and didn't wear a uniform, and 3, it wouldn't exceed three seasons. But working with Frakes and Sirtis in season one started the process of changing his mind.

From his memoire:


"The series would not be based on a reunion of 'TheNextGeneration' characters. I wanted it to have little or nothing to do with them. This was not at all a mark of disrespect for my beloved fellow actors. Rather, I simply felt it was essential to place Picard in entirely new settings with entirely new characters. Perhaps Picard might encounter Riker or Dr. Crusher in the second season, but such encounters were not to be the series' raison d'être."

 

[Dukhat]

I'm still trying to figure out where in all that that Stewart was 'tricked' into doing a TNG reunion by sneaky and underhanded producers.

 

[Nerys Myk]

In isolation, I really wouldn't have an issue with them using Garrett. She is a complete open book with the only caveat of having to be alive at the end of the movie. It just starts to get tedious when nostalgia seems to be the only thing driving the franchise at this point.

It's a "doorway" into the setting. (Yeah maybe not the best analogy). Seems to be a supporting character in SEC 31. Which I think is fine.

 

[Lord Garth]

Cutting-and-pasting a post I made from six pages back because it's relevant here and probably got lost in the sea of earlier pages.

Making It So, by Patrick Stewart, Page 435-436:

"For Season Three, our last, Terry Matalas, by then Picard's showrunner, told me that the studio wanted a full Next Generation reunion. Ugh, just what I had firmly said I didn't want. But that had been three years ago. Now I was less resistant, having enjoyed working with Jonathan, Brent, Marina, John, and Whoopi. As an executive producer, I had a say in how we might go about achieving such a reunion. I told Terry, "I like the idea, provided that we don't bring them back all at once. Let's trickle them back in.​

It was essential to me that each TNG character came into the picture because he or she had a specific contribution to make and it wasn't just sentimental window dressing. If Jean-Luc had changed so much over the years, so, too, surely, had the other members of the Enterprise crew. The writers, bless them, took this to heart."​

 

[Dukhat]

Doesn't sound like he was coerced to me.

 

[Lord Garth]

AGAIN, we're talking about 20 years ago. "Hey Ya!" came out in 2003! And I remember fondly dancing with my now deceased grandmother to that song at a family wedding. Fond memories of good times = NOSTALGIA!

One more of these, just to get your take, then I'm done.

Let's have some fun with this and go for the gold!

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15 years ago, but how about it? And forget about even nostalgia. Do you, someone who -- like me -- is also on the Generation X / Millennial cusp, think of this as retro? Is it "old school" to you?

 

[James Cole]

Making It So, by Patrick Stewart, Page 435-436:

From what I remember, that book has less than 20 pages on PICARD. Anyone can go to the closest Barnes and Noble or equivalent and read it for themselves. Considering the dearth of behind the scenes information on the series, it's unfortunate that Stewart didn't cover more of it.